November 13, 2020


Sebastian Roché - Supernatural! Batwoman! Vampire Diaries!

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Sebastian Roché - Supernatural! Batwoman! Vampire Diaries!
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Sebastian Roché - Supernatural! Batwoman! Vampire Diaries!

Nov 13 2020 | 00:41:47


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Today we talk to the incredible Sebastian Roche about his career, his work on Supernatural (which you know we love) and a whole lot more!

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Sebastion Roche - Interview

[00:00:00]Jeff:  Hey, hello listeners, this boiler country today on the shift, extremely special guest. So batch in Rochet, how are you doing mr. Rochet?

Sabastian Roche: I'm doing wonderfully.

Jeff: So, how are we handling things in the current COVID world?

Sabastian Roche: Well, handling things, you know, not only a COVID world, but the insanity that. Has it become this country and many other things. COVID climate emergency political insanity, but doing fine. Does it

Jeff: feel like this world has entered a odd fictional enterprise at this point?

Sabastian Roche: Well, the thing is it's not fictional.

it's entered, a very odd reality. more than odd reality. We are really at, at that at the precipice of something truly catastrophic, not only politically in the States, [00:01:00] but the greatest crisis of our time is there and people are suffering. the, the, the actual outcome of it with those fires.

So this is just, you know, this is the greatest emergency of our time is the climate crisis. Yeah.

Jeff: I would say I a hundred percent agree with you. do you feel like. As a, as a people or as a, as a world, that is something that we are at least experiencing together. Or do you think how is perceived is completely different depending on the region?

Sabastian Roche: No, I think it's, I think we are going to be, we are experiencing it all over the world. I mean, you're basically tropical Sykes loans. The longest they've have been in. In all of humanity, hurricanes on the East coast, drought in the, in the, in the Midwest, larger than life tornadoes fires in the West [00:02:00] and the center of Colorado.

Let's not forget Colorado. and this is all over the world, you know, 42 degrees centigrade, in France, which is like 112 degrees, you know, which never happens all over Europe. Heat waves off the heat wave every summer, you know, droughts, floods, it's affecting everyone around the world. Of course, there is one strata of society, political who are motivated by mostly money and greed and special interests in the fossil fuel industry that don't believe that this is happening.

Right. You know, and. Frankly, we shouldn't even be talking about these idiots, but, you know, that's, that's the way I feel about those people who, who put special interests, in front of basically a cataclysmic future for our children. So in order to stop that we are going to have to [00:03:00] band together, which is what we tried to do, but you know, it will be impossible under a Trump presidency.

Of course.

Jeff: And what I think is kind of interesting, in my cynical more cynical moments, I do on some level get what greed does to an individual and how greed does make someone very myopic in their viewpoint on the world. What I find interesting is the people who don't care about environment don't care about climate, or don't believe that it's a change and yet have no actual stake in, in, in the, in the finances of it.

And, and it's almost as if. They are participating in that delusion without valid cause.

Sabastian Roche: Yeah, exactly. I mean, we are in the age of, of misinformation, disinformation, and, you know, basically, the queue we are in the queue and on age of people basically being their own worst enemies by, thinking that they are the experts in research on Google.

[00:04:00] At the expense of people who've been working all their lives and what we call experts in science, who 99% 0.9, 9% of the time are. So that's the problem. Social media, the internet experience, is great for some, for the, you know, is great in some parts. And in some other parts is a, is an absolute disaster in that respect.

so because you have all these sudden, these sudden pundits who sprouts with absolutely no information and the, when people follow that propaganda, that brainwashing and that rubbish, basically that they spew, which are basically opinion pieces. And we have to stop following opinion pieces, and we have to follow the experts of the science.

It's as simple as that, but you know, some people just don't want to do that. Well,

Jeff: when, when did you think people are maybe not, [00:05:00] maybe I'm generalizing a little too much by saying people, but there's definitely a segment of people and I think it may be worldwide, but it does seem to be, you know, United States higher, in the United States, people gave up on the idea of science or did not, or lost their understanding of how it actually functioned and how knowledge works.

That means it seems like there's been

Sabastian Roche: some sort of acceptance. Yes, but that's spurred also by a certain political party who basically, negates science expertise, intelligence, intellectual prism, and actually, you know, does everything in their power to defund education. And, and, and, you know, w w we're turning into, into a true authoritarian States.

I learned that before. So there is, you know, there, there were two very defined parties, now even more polarized, because basically the Republican party has become the extreme right. White supremacist party. Exactly. and then there's the [00:06:00] rest. And then there were people who were Republicans, you know, who probably will not vote for Trump in this election.

There are people who are Republicans, but will not vote. So you have such a huge, what's the word Kiva, you know, there's a huge, huge, conflict between. Those two and, and the information of one party basically fuels this, this information, which is extremely dangerous. And at the expense of, again, expertise science intelligence know this making fun of intelligence is, is, is something that, that, that is really, really very negative to, to this country.

Jeff: I honestly say, I completely agree with you with the idea that I think it, I think it's within the last 20 years intellect or being an academic, became an insult. And I think that's when things started to unravel,

Sabastian Roche: but once again, he became an insult to certain party who it's [00:07:00] very simple. You know, if you want to, if you want to enslave your.

Your, your population, you know, deprive them of information. But anyway, I don't know if you wanted to talk about the career stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I've only got, I don't have that much that much time. Sorry.

Jeff: Oh, I, I totally understand that. And, I, I will admit, I was fascinated to hear your thoughts. We'll go move into your career.

Most certainly. so. I guess you probably get this question a lot, but when did you know you had that bug and for acting, or at least getting, or an audience?

Sabastian Roche: Well, I mean, I'm going to be very early on in, in life. You know, I used to go to the theater a lot. I used to go to the movies, quite a lot with my parents, notably independent movies or art, what people would call art, house movies, even die.

I don't believe it. you know, chorus will movies, Bergman. I was introduced to those at a very early age, you know, Shakespeare. [00:08:00] Theater. And, it fascinated me from a very early age. I would say the, around the age of five, six, I knew I wanted to be an actor. I always was, you know, the sort of, the funny guy at school, the, I loved putting costumes on, it was, it was in my blood.

I knew that that's what I wanted to do very early on. And

Jeff: was this encouraged by your parents? Because from what I've read on you, you've actually, you've had quite an impressive life. I mean, grew up with in Paris, apparently lived some time on a sailboat. You speak multiple languages. So you're obviously clearly very cultured.

So is this something that you think basically you're nurtured into. On some level.

Sabastian Roche: Yes. I think my father, I know frustrated actor, so he, my parents were incredibly encouraging. you know, to me as a child, of course, I lived on a boat from the age of 12 to 18 and my gauge of 18 and the Caribbean, I was in the Caribbean decided to go back to Europe, to study acting.

And, they were unbelievably [00:09:00] encouraging. They always wanted me to be happy in what I was doing. That's that goes for all of my brothers as well, too. So yeah, I was always encouraged and my dad would, it was my dad's secret passion. He never got to do it, but he absolutely adored it himself. So, you know, I, I, I think it was, pretty seamless for me to move on to that career that I fell in love with

Jeff: instantly.

How did that influence you as an actor having that lived experience? And also the idea of, since you said you learned in your European style, is that significantly different than if you had studied, let's say in the United States?

Sabastian Roche: Yes. I'm going to say yes. I think there's because, you know, when I went to drama school, my goal was to be a theater actor.

I, I loved. Classic authors as Shakespeare, Malia, Ibsen, Strindberg, the great, you know, [00:10:00] restoration comedies, et cetera, Christopher motto. And my goal was to be a theater actor to I, you know, of course then, you know, cinema comes and television comes, but I was really passionate about it. Being on stage.

That's what really counted first and foremost. so I, I went to, the national Academy of dramatic arts in, in France. Actually I studied in France because I speak both French and English and Spanish and Italian, but French and English and science, and, spent four years of drama school studying the classics, techniques of theater, et cetera, et cetera.

And, so that's what my career was. All about, of course, when I, I, you know, I started getting, TV gigs and which are much better paid than what the theater offers. but my first passion was theater. And I think that that European and the training, which is, very consequent and very rigorous and very thorough.

trains people to be great [00:11:00] actors. I'm not saying that you, you, you're not a great tank if you're trained in America, because there are great schools like Juilliard and Yale. And we've seen actors like, you know, like Adam driver come out of them and many other people like Oscar riser, but there is this sort of tradition in, in acting, and also in character acting whether you be a leading man or not, you are not going to be trained in.

In being proficient in accents, in theater technique in characterization. And therefore I think, yeah, it, it, it, it, there is somewhat a more rigorous training in, in Europe. Yeah. I wouldn't say that.

Jeff: No. So much of your career now has been noted or highlighted now by television. Do you still find. the stage to be your preference, or have you started to

Sabastian Roche: say, find a fondest or TT?

[00:12:00] I basically now, you know, as an actor, I'm, you know, you realize when you're young, you have one passion, you want to be a director. That's what you want to do. But you realize later on that, you know, as you're making a living as an actor, when you're doing you're being fairly successful athlete, that that acting is acting, whether you were on TV, film.

stage even voiceover, you get the same pleasure out of acting in any format. So, no, I don't have a preference. Of course I, I, two years ago I was on the West end doing a classical play by Malia tattoo. And that was one of the great dreams of my career, you know, as was when I did. The green belt on Broadway or when I did national affairs in France.

So I've ticked all the boxes as far as I'm concerned, which is wonderful. I mean, my new, my new fantasy would be to do a play at the national theater in London, which is one of the great national cases of the world. And always [00:13:00] has a great tradition of quality. but. Yeah, I get the same pleasure out of everything, whether I'm on those sets, it's a different approach, but I get the same pleasure that's of every art form

Jeff: and your career started very impressive that you started, in the made for TV film, the murders in the room morgue where you start opposite Ian McShane and Belkin, or those are some big names to start your career off with

Sabastian Roche: George C.

Scott. Oh,

Jeff: Patton.

Sabastian Roche: Very awesome. Yeah. I mean, yeah. I mean, that was a tiny role, like one line and, yeah, mean, it's hilarious because I just finished playing Hamlet at the Edinburgh festival, the title role of Hamlet and there, I found myself. So I was, you know, sort of coming out of this dreamlike, experience, which is playing Hamlet for an IQ, I think is the summer of one's career.

at whatever age. And I came out of this extraordinary experience, which was [00:14:00] quite lauded by the critics, et cetera. And then myself with a tiny role on the movie, which was the first time I actually set foot on a, on a set. and I was, I was completely, I had no idea what to do, but, it was interesting.

I had a few, you know, I, I remember seeing Val Kilmer reading how many I remember it. Saying, Oh, I just finished playing Hamlet. We have a festival and I think he looked at me with Arab. Absolutely. Remember that. I was like, Oh, well, you know, screw him. But anyway, it was interesting. I was so green. I had no idea what to do on a, on a movie set, but it was, it was an interesting experience.

And I remember. The director was this French director. Who's lived in the States called Regina Schwartz, who I then in the few, in, in the future, worked with many times on, on television. [00:15:00] And I reminded him of that experience. So it was really funny that

Jeff: that's really cool. And I would love to know why bell Kuma was so scornful.

Sabastian Roche: I think I was early one. One line actor and he was the star of the show and he was like, you know, don't disturb me you little bad.

I remember that time when I was like, I was a little put off, but you know, who cares thick skin as an actor.

Jeff: Now you're big enough that you can be that guy to somebody else. I'm one line guy. You can be like,

Sabastian Roche: I would never do that to somebody else. I would never do that to a young actor. Okay.

Jeff: Now, when you're performing said that was when your first, your first role on for TV, when you watch someone like George Scott and you machine act, were you able to draw from them as well and learn something about it?

Sabastian Roche: I said, you know, I didn't, I mean, I, you know, I knew, I didn't know Ian McShane as well. [00:16:00] He wasn't as well known. I didn't, if you remember him, those in the eighties, George C. Scott for me was, I'd seen pattern. I'd seen, I mean, how many other movies had he done? dr. Strangelove, many other films and, and unrecognized him as being an extraordinary actor.

And actually I got to meet then Campbell's Scott, who's his son. And it was really, he was actually a delightful human being and he, him telling these stories about George C. Scott, Yeah. I mean, you know, I do draw inspiration from many actors, you know, as a child, I drew inspiration from Lawrence, Olivia from Errol Flynn, from all my heroes as a, as a kid, of course, Brando Pachino dinero who in Europe of course were in America too.

But in, in your report, gods, you know, gods of the screen, actually my, my first gig actually in America was. Doing a play opposite Al Pachino you know? [00:17:00] And so that was extraordinary for me to do that in New York. Anyway, I'm diverging, I'm jumping a few years.

Jeff: I'm fascinated to talk to you. So you're welcome to jump backwards, forwards any direction you want.

and I think it's kind of,

Sabastian Roche: I'm so sorry. I only have 10 minutes left because I have to run. Is that okay?

Jeff: Yeah, no, totally. I actually only, I was gonna hit on, Very briefly vampire diaries. a couple of questions on supernatural and just let you tell me about that woman, but,

Sabastian Roche: okay.

Jeff: So what I was gonna say is I found it interesting that for a stage actor, that you did become synonymous at some point, it seems like with, Sue the supernatural type stories, like the vampire diaries, like supernatural and on some level superheros, like Batwoman, was that a surprise for you?


Sabastian Roche: actually, it just, it just happened. It just happened. I remember I was shooting fringe in Vancouver and my manager told me, go audition for supernatural. And I was like, Oh, but I've auditioned for them. Nine times. They should offer me the part and then insisted. So I went and Robin singer [00:18:00] was there in the room and I did the audition for Balthazar and got it instantly.

And I knew I got it. It went so well. And they really changed. it didn't change my career, but I mean, it did, you know, bring on, are the pots. I mean, it sort of started the, my foray into after fringe and to supernatural stuff. I think it was no coincidence. I mean, the characters were really wonderful and.

As Michael Michaelson, was an extraordinary character. He could have been a Shakespeare and tactile, you know, sort of monster of revenge and, and pain and, and, and character was a thousand years old seeking revenge on his whole family is very sort of Shakespearean or it could be a Greek tragedy. So, they all fall in place and the character in Batwoman was kind of an interesting character, ne being someone else behind someone's face.

And so all these characters are always quite interesting. yeah, the common thread is, is a [00:19:00] supernatural, aspect to them, but you know, a role is a role is a role at the end of the day. You know, there would be some psychological drama.

It's the same to me.

Jeff: Well, you played Beth Bazaar and I, and I, when I look back on the actual number, you only were in six episodes of supernatural, but it felt like you were such a larger part of that season. Were you, Oh, go ahead.

Sabastian Roche: No, no, go ahead. What was I surprised?

Jeff: Yeah, that people embrace you so thoroughly and you became such a part of it.

Sabastian Roche: Yes, I was. But at the same time, I think the bowel design was written in with so much character and I related to the characters so much. basically when I came on stage, the, the, the costume designer said, could we keep everything that you have? I'll just, can I take a photo of you? And I'll just basically.

By everything, they look exactly the same and it's just, so it was, there was very much a part of me in that [00:20:00] character of my humor. My, my, my impersonation was very, very close to me and it was so he was a, and I think his sappiness and his sense of humor, charmed and his charm, because he's a very charming character, charmed, a lot of people.

And I was surprised because, you know, I did six episodes out of 22. but it feels like I was a major character in that season. It's funny. I, and I felt it too. Every time I came back because I got along so well with Jerry Jensen and Nisha, I, they treated me as an equal. So it felt as they always do with people that they really get along with, you know, yeah, it, it gave me the, the, the security.

to, to expand even more and have more fun with my character. And I think that's why it touched so many people. And,

Jeff: and I think that your performance was extraordinary. You mean you created such a fun character with [00:21:00] Balthazar and what was it like working against, mutual accounts, his character, and you had a great chemistry with each other.

Sabastian Roche: Yeah, it was just, you know, it just so happened that it was like that. I think we had great chemistry because as soon as. I came in, they cracked a joke. I cracked a joke bag. They laugh. They'd be like, yeah. Okay. You're part of the club dude. So we got along instantly, you know, these are people.

[00:22:00] Jeff: Yeah.

Sabastian Roche: I mean, they were so accepting [00:23:00] of me that it created a really reciprocal, care for one another then, you know, and it made the experience all the more wonderful. And when you're having a great time, you know, you, you do best at work. And you know, when you have people who are as generous as they are, as kind as they are as fun as they are, you want to have fun too.

And you know, it's, it's, it's contagious. So my experience on that was wonderful. And I'm sure a lot of people, you know, who were, who you've talked to about supernatural will echo my words. It's just a wonderful experience to work on that show because these guys are so rare, so wonderful. So generous.

Don't take themselves seriously. It's so funny that you know, you can't not have a great time. Therefore you're going to give the best of yourself. I, you know, I only have good things to say about these guys. They're they're wonderful. And I, they, that deservedly got 15 years on, on that wonderful show.

[00:24:00] Jeff: And I think it's interesting.

I've interviewed several members of supernatural. This point, I think I've talked to maybe seven or eight of them from when you've been on the show and the word that keeps going repeating itself over and over again in these interviews with them is the word family. They keep saying, this is a family of families to provide for family.

Is it that tangible?

Sabastian Roche: Yes, it really is because basically, you know, we, we, I know now I dunno 20 cost

Jeff: members.

Sabastian Roche: And a lot of us have not worked together, but we actually started doing fan events and we started sort of traveling as a traveling. It felt like a sort of old school traveling troupe, traveling theater troupe, going around the world.

And, so you get to know people very well when you travel with them. And so that experience brought us much closer together, and it really consolidated the, the, the, the, the sense of family that, that, that we really had the key to what? To the car. Yeah,

[00:25:00] Jeff: no worries. No worries.

Sabastian Roche: I can actually continue to the, like, continue to sorry.

so it really consolidates it, that sense of family and I absolutely. Concur with my classmates. There really was a feeling of comradery, family, and any made it. Yeah, it, it, it made it. Marvelous experience.

Jeff: And I think when the episodes that everyone might find as the best with Balthazar is the one with the Titanic.

You find that as hilarious as the rest of us,

Sabastian Roche: my God, that to me was the best. I mean, it's, it's, I mean, I love the French mistake as well, because I think it's kind of a genius episode, but. I mean, th that

Jeff: episode

Sabastian Roche: to the bulls on these guys to write an episode about me on sinking the Titanic. And I thought he was just so [00:26:00] funny and I'd love the reason to the reasoning behind it.

You know, it shows that they had so much such a wicked sense of humor, which I love them. When you're laughing when you're having such a great time doing, you know, something that you're working on, it was that Milton light. I mean, he was so, I mean, it was truly funny to come up with an idea, you know, who was, and people still, I remember I actually posted on Twitter.

don't worry. Y fans that your hearts will go on and there's a big sign, bounces on. People reacted to it. So, well, it was incredible. They literally were like, Oh my God,

Jeff: but it's perfect. And it wasn't, it shows your love for the character as well. And I must say like, probably a lot of fans, I was really bothered that they killed you off your character off it.

It was, I was like, there's so much more you could have done with Balthazar.

[00:27:00] Sabastian Roche: I actually was bothered too, because I told my God really, why are you kidding me guys? I couldn't believe I was supplies, actually, because first of all, I was having so much fun and, you know, they kept telling me, don't worry, you'll be back food.

And of course that never happened. I was hoping to come back into last season, but it didn't happen, but that's, that's fine. I went on to do other things. but it would have been fun. It would have been so much fun to, to, yeah. It would have been really wonderful to come back or to continue as the gag that I think I could have been a very good, foil to, Meesha gag though.

Jeff: Yeah. I completely agree because your character gave a new perspective on the idea of the angels by being a rogue angel and in a very real sense, not being a fallen angel, which I thought was fascinating. Yeah. And I w we would love, I think all the fans would have loved to have you back, especially when they introduced the alternate realities and, you know, bring back bath as our, at this point.

Sabastian Roche: I know, I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

Jeff: yeah. At least then you got to do Batwoman, [00:28:00] which must've been a great treat as well.

Sabastian Roche: Yeah. That was a great trees. I mean, I, you know, it would have been, I would have loved to have gone on a little more with that, but, you know, then when I realized that I was someone else's.

But that was someone else's character. You know, I was a, basically a face on the cat. Oh, damn. I, I guess I can't come back. Cause I would have loved to have continued on that adventure. It's the same with Michael Michelson. You know, I, I would have loved him to, to, to continue living, you know, but it seems like in every everything that I've done, I'm the guy who is going to die.

Jeff: Sean Bean of the television world

Sabastian Roche: exactly. Was going to say, yeah, that's true. But,

Jeff: then, and like that, and I think it says a lot about you as an actor that you seem to be on so many well loved TV, even if only for a small period of time. People always remember your moments in those small moments, you know, time.

Sabastian Roche: Yeah. It's interesting. Oh, hold on one second. Okay. I have to go. Sorry. Continue. Continue. I [00:29:00] could talk in the car.

Jeff: Oh, no worries. I was going to just end with some, asking about, like I said, bathroom and. From what you saw of that woman. Do you, is there any possibility at all that there could be you in a second season in some form?

Sabastian Roche: I really don't know to tell you the truth, that could, but I don't think it's going to happen.

Jeff: It, it, like I said, it, it really is such a shame. Cause like I said that once again, it was a great performance and.

Sabastian Roche: Thanks. Yeah, I, I enjoyed it. I enjoy doing it very much.

Jeff: So what do you have coming up that maybe we don't know about for upcoming performances?

Sabastian Roche: So I have a movie coming out called ship break go, which I'm very proud of, with Ian Glenn. I really, really love doing that movie and I have, an episode of a MacGyver coming too. And then a few other projects in the works. Is it he's not coming. Sorry. Oh, sorry. Sorry. I forgot to take my dog.

Jeff: No [00:30:00] worries.

No worries. I'm actually petting my dog while I'm talking to you, sir.

Sabastian Roche: Okay. Hold on. Because Ziggy was like, I'm not coming.

Hold on. Go ahead. Go ahead. Continue. Hello?

Jeff: Oh, yes. Okay. so, so you're doing, you said his name is a shipwreck.

Sabastian Roche: Ship breaker.

Jeff: Great. And what does that movie going to be about?

Sabastian Roche: It's it's a science fiction movie. It's a very like concept, a science fiction movie, beautifully shot, simply selves, really gorgeous.

And, basically I'm this man. Who's looking for a planet because, Basically the, how can I explain it? humanity can't live on earth anymore, which seems very insightful

Jeff: and go to this,

Sabastian Roche: this new, this new planet called new Capitola. And, I decided to then [00:31:00] go. See, I'm an astronomers scientists, et cetera, and Explorer.

And I decided to go back to, to see if it's habitable again. And I tell my daughter I'll be back. And of course I leave and never come back and she goes to look for me, on us. And adventures in suit now was this, it's a beautiful, very moving film that I really enjoy doing.

Jeff: Was it filmed prior to the lockdown or did you go back to filming during it?

Sabastian Roche: No, it was, it was filmed prior to the lockdown.

Jeff: Have you done anything during this period of lockdown that you've had to kind of adapt to how it being filmed now or any, or any projects? Hi. Can you hear me?

Sabastian Roche: Yep.

Jeff: Yeah. I was wondering, have you filmed anything during the, the period of the lockdown that you've had to change or adapt to?

[00:32:00] Sabastian Roche: No, no, no.

Jeff: That's actually that's like, well, and like I said, Is there a concern when you do have upcoming projects of what it's going to look like because of the lockdown,

Sabastian Roche: what is, what gonna look like?

Jeff: Sorry. have, have you had any concerns about what it's gonna look like to start filming now? The, post lockdown?

Sabastian Roche: Yeah, of course. yeah. I have many concerns about, filming and locked down in, in the States. I don't think judging by unfortunately how irresponsible people are. It's I really don't know when the filming industry is going to be able to, to stomps again. So. These are definite concerns that I have, because you know, the businesses starting again in Canada because they handled [00:33:00] coronavirus in a normal way, like any other normal country and, in, in Europe.

So who knows, maybe we'll have to go find work in some of these places. And

Jeff: yeah. And, and I think it's interesting to hear your perspective as someone who's been in the industry now for quite some time and getting your thoughts on how things could potentially, maybe normalize hopefully soon enough.

Sabastian Roche: I don't think anything can be normalized until.

The Americans decide well until there's leadership at the top. and, there's contact tracing and mosque wearing an enormous amount of testing. I think it's going to be extremely difficult. if you have a healthy work environment, they'll always be the risk of someone. You know, attending a party or getting infected with COVID, let's remember, you know, we are the, we are the, the country with the most [00:34:00] infectious cases.

Uh it's it's still extremely risky to partake in activities that, you know, that have groups of people in them. So I really don't know. I'm sure they're going to try, but as soon as someone. Gets COVID, everything's going to stop, which happened in London with Robert Pattinson. So I don't see it. I don't see how they're going to be able to monitor that if there is not stringent rules, which they weren't of course, in the UK and none in, in, in the U S so.

It's actually a little blown for the Anglo-Saxon speaking world.

Jeff: Yeah. yeah, I guess, make America great again, man. Destroy every aspect of it.


so for ship breaker, is it, do we have a release date and is going to streaming now or was it meant to go to theaters prior to basically the end of

Sabastian Roche: it was meant to go to theaters.

It's directed by German director. it's a [00:35:00] very ambitious film. It was produced by constant infills Babelsberg studios and some other big guns in Germany. It's English speaking. What's that? And a rodent is, yeah, sorry. And Roland Emmerich is the executive producer of that film. So it has a huge cache and I think they wanted to release it, in wide release in Germany, which they might do because they've, they have a handle on.

On that. So I think it was supposed to go to the Toronto film festival in September. Can you hear me still?

Jeff: Yep.

Sabastian Roche: Yep. a, you know, and of course that, festival was canceled and I think it was, to be released at the, toward the end of the year, but who knows? It might be pushed till 20, 21, but it's something I'm really proud of.

I really, really. Yeah, it's a beautiful one of these beautiful characters, supporting parts that I really enjoyed, doing. And, there's a lot of [00:36:00] heart in that film. You know, it's not only a science fiction movie about science-fiction, it's, it's really about, it's really about the fate of humanity and connection and loss.

And, and relationship between a father and or a daughter and her father. So yeah, there are many aspects that I think, I gonna appeal to a greater public. I'm, I'm really proud of that. It looks amazing too. It really looks amazing. And I really truly enjoyed working with a wonderful young director.

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Jeff: Yeah. as like every great movie is about something beyond the immediate sense or the media generally that existed. And it does sound like a fascinating movie and I do hope it does make it to theater because it sounds like something that should best be washed on a blog. Yeah.

Sabastian Roche: Yeah. Yeah.

Cause it really looks stunning. Like it looks like a gorgeous release code, you know? It's actually, it might be it's either going to be ship breaker [00:37:00] or Haven above sky. I prefer ship breaker, but, they weren't sure about the title because of, legal reasons. But so if you're looking for it, it might be under Haven above sky.

So, you know, on IMDV or whatever, you know,

Jeff: Well, I would say ship breaker sounds a little more exciting. It's something about the tightness of the name. Just sounds a little more grabbed your imagination better.

Sabastian Roche: Exactly.

Jeff: But yes, and I like, I look forward to seeing it and I want to thank you so much for giving me all your time.

And I think that was extremely great of you.

Sabastian Roche: Oh, thank you. My pleasure. That was a pleasure, Jeff,

Jeff: thank you so much.




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