Josh Wilson talks Twilight Custard!

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Casey: [00:00:00] All right. Robot lady. All right, everybody. Welcome again, to another episode of spoiler country today on the show we have Joshua Wilson. He is here to promote his new book, Twilight, custard. He’s done a little bit of everything though. So I think we’re going to get into the weeds on a bunch of different stuff.

But right now we’re, we’re going to talk comics, Joshua Wilson. How the hell

Josh Wilson: are you? Casey. It is so good to meet you. And thank you so much for having me on the show. Yeah. It’s going to be a lot of

Casey: fun. So. You have a book, correct. Tell me about it, but let’s get into the weeds, man.

Josh Wilson: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I’ve been doing a lot of these podcasts and something I’m not good at is selling myself, but I’m figuring out how to do it.

It’s not, it’s not my favorite part for sure, but I do love coming on and talking because I always have a good time. But so this book, it’s a graphic novel. It’s about 136 pages. It is a scifi. About a an older cowboy guy who lost his wife about two years before the [00:01:00] book starts he comes across this spaceship crash and he finds this Android pilot and he agrees to help the pilot get back to its ship.

So a large part of the book, part of the book is a pretty much a buddy story between the two of them getting to know each other and the differences and talking about the universe and life and death and all that stuff.

Casey: That’s cool. That’s cool. So what was the MP? Well, where did this come from?

Josh Wilson: Oddly. It came from the title first.

So the title I got from a band, one of those band name, generators online. And then I just like, I liked it so much and I just kind of pulled a story out of that.

Casey: Nice. Nice. So you you’ve been doing comics for a while. Has you have a lot of passions though? You have a lot of things that you. You’re into, in terms of being creative, how do you, how do you keep that level of passion?

And is it, is it helpful to kind of bounce [00:02:00] between the ones that you do? Because it is just a way to, to kind of keep from getting burnt out or

Josh Wilson: it’s kind of, yeah, it’s kind of a mixture. So like, Some of it’s been out of necessity. So like, you know, my younger part of my life, I was a musician. I was a singer in rock bands and stuff.

And so I did that for a long time. And bands kept breaking up and after the last one, I think 20, 25 years old. And I was like, man, I’m not going to start all over again. Find all new people, write all new songs. It’s like, I’ve got to find something that that I have more control over just myself. So then I got into screenplay writing and so I did a lot of that, like writing movie scripts and things like that.

And then slowly transitioned from that to turning those scripts. Comic books basically. So, and I got, I jumped back and forth. I still write some screenplays and stuff, but I’ve found that comic books for me is like, it’s a really happy medium. Like I don’t draw, I’m not the artist. I’m just the writer.

So, I still need to collaborate with people, but it is far less people than say like a movie would be for sure, but even a band, you know, you gotta rely on [00:03:00] four or five different people. And it’s just like, it’s, it’s, it gets to be too much sometimes, but. The comic books have been great. And also like, again, I’ve been able to turn like this story itself was a movie script first that I was like, man, I’m never going to turn this into a movie.

It would be an incredibly expensive movie to make. But I think it would be a really good graphic novel, and I think it translated pretty well to the page.

Casey: So I’m getting, getting into that and translating it from, or, you know, kind of changing it from a movie script, from a film script. Into what, you know, what eventually became the comic.

How did you go about that? Because the two mediums, like I’ve written comics, I’ve never written for film. What is the difference? Other than obviously like, you know, the medium that’s going into, but yeah, but

Josh Wilson: I mean, honestly, that, that is a large part of it. Cause like, you know, when you’re writing a script, you’re, you’re writing.

A lot of what the character is doing and saying, and you’re [00:04:00] thinking of it in a way of moving pictures. So you’re basically like you take the script, you look at what’s there and you’re like, okay, wait, what still shots from these moving pictures? Do I need to have to, to have the story flow on the page instead of is a lot easier when you have a camera, you see everything that happens, but in a comic book, you need those specific important cells or panels on a page and you need the page to flow, kind of like it would through a film.

It’s just about finding visually what makes the most sense and what needs to be on the page to tell the story and then just basically trim the fat of everything else out of it. So, you know, if you, if you look, if you compare a movie script in a film script, or excuse me, a movie script in a comic strip, they’re pretty similar.

The only difference is on the comic strip, you have to break down panel by panel. Exactly what you’re seeing. You’re telling the artist exactly what to draw, kind of like a film script is telling the director exactly what the.

Casey: Do you find it harder to get those beats down? When, when you translate it into sequential form, sequential

Josh Wilson: art form, it’s a, it was a [00:05:00] learning curve for sure, but I’ve really enjoyed it.

And I’ve, you know, I’ve, since I started before I did Twilight custard, I tried a few, like I’ve got some some shorter comics on on our Gumroad page on ghost pod publishing Gumroad page. So I. Wrote those first before having to convert and just trying to figure out how to write in that way.

And it’s really satisfying to me cause I. My imagination is very visual. And so the medium works super well. And I used to start by kind of like myself, plotting out the panels on the page and what they would look like on like a dry erase board. But then I’ve since learned to just describe it the best I can and leave it up to the artists to just into kind of plot them out on the page.

Casey: I was actually going to ask was it hard to relinquish that control because as a film director, you, you kind of, you’re the final say on everything. When you, when you write a screenplay, like. Your word is, is God. Right? And until some [00:06:00] jackass takes, it does something else with it. But if you draft the film, you know, you’re, you know, you’re wearing a sacrosanct.

When you collaborate on a comic with someone there’s a little bit of control, you have to let go a little bit. Was that hard for you to do, you know?

Josh Wilson: Yeah. It’s, it’s different for each project. You know, if it’s a true collaboration, then you’re going to leave it up to the artists to interpret it as best you can.

I mean, there’s still some feedback back and forth like, Hey, I wasn’t quite meaning this. Do you mind changing that? Or what do you think if we do it this way? But if it’s for like Twilight custard, for example, I’m commissioning, I’m paying the artists. So, you know, if it comes back, I do have a lot more control in that way.

Cause if I get the art back and it’s not quite right, I’ll, I’ll, I’ll ask them to fix it. Cause it’s, it’s not as much of a collaboration as it is. I’m paying them to do a job basically. So, so yeah. So, but luckily with Twila concern specifically, William who’s our who’s the artist on this book. He was so great at interpreting the words that I had on pages.

Like I had very, very few revisions. Once I got [00:07:00] those pages back, I would get them back and I’m like, yeah, that’s exactly what I was thinking. So that hasn’t always been the case, working with other artists. Sometimes you’re going to back in and it’s like completely different than what you’re thinking. And then you, then at that point, you look at it and yeah.

Well, does this still work or is it just way off base? And then you kind of kind of go from there, his

Casey: art, by the way, it was fantastic. I really appreciated his, his art style for this and yeah, I mean, it, it just, it really played well with with the the content. I thought so

Josh Wilson: too, cause it’s very like, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s kinda old school.

It’s it’s hand drawn except for the. The texts and stuff has done digitally, but it’s all hand drawn, which is super rare these days. And it feels, you know, kind of older. Oh yeah, yeah,

Casey: yeah. It had a really good look to it and it matched the story very well. So yeah, you, you, you wrote this story, you. You know, get it together.

How did, how did you go about actually finding your, your

Josh Wilson: artist? All the artists I’ve worked with so far I’ve found on Reddit actually. So really? Yeah, it’s been really, it’s been [00:08:00] great. Reddit has been so awesome. I mean, I got to tell you, I’m just, you know, from finding people to collaborate with. You know, promoting the book on there once it’s been done and getting people who are actually like, if you go to like the GRA the graphic comic or the graphic novel subreddit of the comic book, separated, those people were there because they love comics.

And so I found a great deal of support there and enthusiasm. So I love Reddit.

Casey: It’s funny. So my I I’ve, I’ve written three. Comics, like I put out three comics last year all, you know, kickstarted and everything, but it was their mind. I’m proud of them. Amazing. I wouldn’t have had the wherewithal or, you know, I wouldn’t have met my collaborators if I wouldn’t have met some folks off of.

Our common colabs. We started a group called the comic jam and each week we do one page comics based on a theme. I pair the writers with the artists [00:09:00] and that’s how I met tell him that Pete woods, the shit pulled my earplugs out. The artists from that. The voodoo child comic that I did.

And also is how I met Dan price, which is the artist for another book I did called big footnotes karate it’s yes. It’s super weird. Crazy fun. It’s a punch them up, but there’s a lot more to it. But yeah, just meeting people, I would have never thought I would have the ability to write comics or be in.

You know, this fear when I was a kid, because it was always like New York and LA and collaborate now, you know? Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So thanks internet.

Josh Wilson: Yeah. It’s, it’s been amazing. I mean, I, you know, I got into comics, I’ve been doing comics specifically. Like two and a half years now, two years pretty much started with COVID because right before COVID start right before it goes a lot more.

Yeah, no kidding. I mean, seriously, like right before COVID started, I released a short film [00:10:00] and then like the fear of flight, man. I appreciate that. Well, thanks for watching it. Yeah, it was, it

Casey: was, it was very good. I really appreciated how you you built that little world and it was, it was really.

Josh Wilson: I’m glad to hear that.

I appreciate that. I mean, I feel like not a lot of people saw it because again, it happened right before the pandemic and then like, you know, it played at one virtual festival and then pretty much, yeah, that’s pretty much it. And so like when COVID came, I was just like, you know, I’ve got to figure out a way to keep doing this.

And so collaborating with artists over the internet is the way to do it, man. And comics is the way to do. Do you

Casey: think that your ability to collaborate with other creatives has kind of been informed by your time spent doing music? Which I listened to that a little bit as well. And wow, man, that’s amazing.

Try to do my homework. It w yeah, I enjoyed it. It it’s been a while now, so just think of who it made me think of. It wasn’t like derivative or anything, but it had a feel to it. It was very what I heard was really cheap. [00:11:00] And God, I can’t think of his, I can’t think of his name. He plays the banjo and he’s very handy.

Yeah, it was solid works. So w where was your what was your inspiration behind all that behind the music stuff?

Josh Wilson: You know, music started when I was. 14 or 15, I’m just starting bands when I lived in Ohio. And then as soon as we all graduated high school, we moved to Orlando, Florida. And so most of the music I’ve done at some friends in music school there, and we just wanted to be away from where we grew up.

You know, where’d you grow up. It’s a place called Ottawa. It’s like Northwest Ohio, like the middle of nowhere, super small. So yeah, we went Orlando for a lot of it and then Nashville for the other half of my quote unquote music career. And that’s where, that’s where it kind of died.

Casey: Yeah. Yeah. My sister lives in Columbus, so

Josh Wilson: it’s probably about two hours south where I’m from.

Okay,

Casey: cool. Cool. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, what is. It’s reading [00:12:00] something recently about how there’s been like so many astronauts. From the state of Ohio, it’s all based on their desire to get as far away from Ohio as possible. I love it, but it’s

Josh Wilson: a big deal there. They got that the Neil Armstrong museum and stuff.

So

Casey: it’s a big deal. That’s right. Yeah. Yeah. I would love to go there, man. Stuff like that fascinates me the right stuff. I don’t know if you’ve ever read that book, but it’s a doorstopper but it’s, it’s good. It’s massive. So, yeah, you noodle around with music for a little while you end up in Nashville, man.

You’ve, you’ve bounced around all over the place. Now you’re in. Colorado. Yup. How’d you end up in Colorado,

Josh Wilson: man? My is, this is not an exciting story, but my, my wife has no, you’re good. My wife has a family out here and we, we just got married this year. And so we’re going to start. Thank you. We’re going to start to try to have a family.

And so we want to be closer to family, but not, you know, she’s from Wisconsin, I’m from [00:13:00] Ohio. We don’t necessarily want to live there. So yeah, the next best thing to be around family and. So we’re excited about that. So we,

Casey: we live about a mile away from my in-laws.

Josh Wilson: Okay. That’s probably a nice babysitting and stuff.

If you need that.

Casey: I was really reticent to want to buy this house to begin with. Cause it was, you know, just proximity. It was so close and now it’s like, if we need to get out. In-laws are there. Yeah. So yeah, it’s super helpful, especially if you have small kids. So yeah. Good luck with that, man. We’re all my wife and I will be 20 years this year.

Josh Wilson: Wow. Nuts.

Casey: Yeah. That’s amazing. Yeah. So. Good luck.

Josh Wilson: And you don’t look old enough to be married 20 years. Oh

Casey: man. Yeah. Well, I was 14. I’m trying, but yeah man marriage is cool, man. Just,

Josh Wilson: yeah, it’s been great so far, you know, we’ve been together for like seven years, so it’s nothing new, you know, [00:14:00] decided to seal the deal, you

Casey: know?

Yeah, yeah. It was one of those things. You got Secure before somebody else for somebody else gets in your way. Right? Exactly. So this is, you know, one of the few comics that you’ve done. Do you have any more plans to go back to the world of Twilight custom?

Josh Wilson: You know, I’m excited to do.

There’s a lot of other stories that I have in mind. I do have ideas for a second and third book, just like very, very broad ideas if it were to come to that. But I’ve got some other novels I want to do first. So we’ll see what happens with this guy. I really would love in a dream. I would love for this to become a movie one day.

And then we could definitely do a second and third, but

Casey: I can totally see it. I can

Josh Wilson: see it was started as a movie script. So, I mean, I would still really love to see that on like Netflix or something. I think that’d be awesome.

Casey: I hear you. I hear you. I always want to ask, like, what was your comics inspiration?

Like when you were a kid, were you into comics?

Josh Wilson: Yeah. You know, when I was really young, I was [00:15:00] more into the comic book character cartoons that were out like I was huge fan of the 90 Spider-Man and the X-Men and the Batman, like, I love those shows. So those are my first like, introduction to those characters.

And then the movies that came after that And so, but yeah, I’ve always been a huge Spider-Man is my absolute favorite. And then X-Men probably second after that and fantastic. Four I’ve always been a big Marvel guy. And then as I’ve gotten older, I’ve grown to love graphic novels and like, trades, but more because I just, for me, it’s like, I’ve tried a few times to like follow for example, the amazing Spider-Man or something like that.

It’s hard to get. It’s so hard, man. Yeah. It’s hard to keep up and you miss one. It’s like, ah, so I usually just wait for the trade to come out. And so as I get older, Graphic novels are my jam. Like I love image is probably one of my favorite companies now, like I’ve loved the Chu series. Oh yeah. That’s like one of my favorites and I, I love Jeff Lameer also is one of my favorites too, with with the Essex county and a underwater welder.

So. Yeah. So I’ve gotten more of like, into like the character driven sort [00:16:00] of like introspective stuff and like really hard and decipher more than superhero stuff as I’ve gotten older, but it definitely started with superhero stuff

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Casey: sure. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So what is your. You have a few other stories to tell w what’s the end game, man, like, are you wanting to you want to stay in comics?

Are you wanting to kind of just expand and do other things?

Josh Wilson: Yeah, I mean a mixture for sure. I definitely want to keep doing comics for the foreseeable future because I really love the process. I’d love to eventually get to a space. All I have to do is write and then someone else can do everything else because the hard part is when you have the book in your hand, you’re like, man, that was so much work now is where the real work starts of promoting and finding all that stuff.

I would love to find a publisher or something that will take a chance on me and, you know, fund my next project and like do all that stuff after I’ve written it. So, you know, my end, my end game, honestly, my entire life, whether it’s been music, film comics, Trying to eventually one day make a [00:17:00] living off of my creativity and my writing.

So, I’m open to whatever avenue that takes. I love film and I love comics. And so if I, if I could I’d, I would do both at the same time, you know, write stories and if it fits better for a script, a movie script, that’s one thing. And if it fits better for a book, let’s make it a book.

Casey: I hear ya. I hear you.

I like that you have the ability to. Kind of take it, take it wherever

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Josh Wilson: want for sure. Yeah. And I’ve definitely, I mean, you said kick-starting and crowdfunding and stuff. I did not do that for this one, but this next novel that I have in mind, I really want to try my hand at that. I, I guess I was afraid for this first book that I.

And be able to, you know, no one knows who I am, so how are they, why are they going to fund my, my stuff. So, but I have found that a lot of people are hungry for it. They’re on these websites. They’re looking for projects to fund that look. Cool. So it’s all about the presentation. So I’m definitely going to give that a shot for this next book

Casey: that is as somebody like.

You know, I did this, [00:18:00] I did two others. It’s, it’s like a full-time job almost for that month that you’re on the Kickstarter and you have to put yourself out there. And it’s like, it’s not fun. Like I love interviewing people. I try to make it as easy as possible because I’ve been on the other side of it.

And it. It can be hard taking this on, on your own and self-funding it that that is another thing entirely and I have nothing but respect for that, that that’s kind of scary.

Josh Wilson: It is for sure, man. I just always figured that, you know, I need to have something to show for myself. Like why, why would any publisher or even comic.

You know, take my word for it. That I am a good writer or have interesting stories. So I just got figured out, I believe in this story, I’ll make this book myself. Try to get as many people as I can to read it. And then hopefully they’ll be like, oh yeah, I like this

Casey: guy. Do you have any plans to get out at [00:19:00] cons now that hopefully COVID

Josh Wilson: yeah.

Knock on wood. Yeah, so, I’m doing two this year. I’m going to do the one here in Denver, and then I’m doing one in salt lake city. In September, then the number one’s in July. I wanted to kind of start out slow. I really want to do more the following year. Like I’ve got to get to Texas since this book is based in Texas.

I want to, I want to do one in Austin for sure. And I’d love to do, you know, like New York would be incredible as well, so, oh yeah. Yeah.

Casey: My, one of my collaborators on the, my co-writer on big footnotes, karate is out of Austin and really strong indie community. There. People are hungry for indie comics and just, you know, pretty much.

Comics in general. That’s good to

Josh Wilson: know, to figure out how to plug myself into that community. Maybe I have to just go down there and visit it’s. I’ve had a lot more luck cause I’ve got, I’ve got this book in a couple of stores. But it’s always been walking in the door and talking to them. When I send out all these mass emails to the different stores, you don’t usually get a, get a response.

It’s probably [00:20:00] just like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. How did you gone about selling your

Casey: with what we, we sold out our for big foot knows karate. We sold completely funded in seven minutes for for, yeah. We had a low margin at first, but still we were like, we’re kind of biting our fingers in what, what you kind of have to do is you make it a party.

You make it something that people want to take part in. One thing that we Artists and co-writer was a genius. That was, he would do live draws on Instagram and I would get on there with them. We talk about the book, we talked to other creators. And before too long, you have like 20 eyes watching you while you’re doing your thing.

You can see the people that are watching you on the feed. Well, that’s 20 people that might want to fund your book and you know, it, it just keeps building and you make it something that people. I want to be a part of going onto live streams [00:21:00] has been extremely helpful for us. And like I unfortunate.

Spooler country doesn’t have time to do have streams right now. Right. You know, I’m running around like crazy trying to help my daughters out, get them fed before I came down to change shirts, because I don’t like a wet shirt. But yeah, you, you gotta, you gotta put yourself out there. You gotta keep people interested in the book and it’s so stomach turn.

Doing that and saying like, Hey, look at me. When really, I, I don’t want you to fucking look at me. I don’t want

Josh Wilson: you to go now. I feel like I’m bothering people, you know?

Casey: Exactly. Yeah. I don’t want to be an imposition, but like really you got

Josh Wilson: to fucking sell that book. Yeah, you’re right. I always feel that artists have it a little bit easier when it comes down to that kind of stuff, because they can ask her all day, all day long.

Like here’s a picture I drew, but me it’s just like, Hey, do you wanna look at these words?

Casey: Yeah. Like I immediately like. Blank out and go into, like, how can I make people [00:22:00] laugh? And like, that’s not, I don’t know if that’s productive. Laughter helps. For sure. I’m sure. So, yeah, man. When you, when you count fund, you got to get yourself out there and you live draws and, and getting people hooked on Instagram is a great way to do that.

The Instagram, the indie comic community on Instagram is great.

Josh Wilson: Definitely check that out. Yeah. That’s what I’m, that’s what I’m working on, building up those followings and those numbers by doing things like this too, and reaching out and stuff too. So again, I really appreciate. You allowing me to be on the show and introduce me to the community a little bit more to,

Casey: yeah.

Yeah. And me, and one thing I need to tap into is the Reddit community, because as much as I owe what I’ve been doing lately to Reddit, just through the contacts I’ve made. Yeah. Read it as a whole kind of scares me. I can understand that. Yeah. So the wild west, what, what was your experience with that?

Getting, [00:23:00] getting eyes on it through there,

Josh Wilson: honestly, it was just a one post that I put on the graphic novels, a page of the book and the cover, and, you know, my excitement of having all my books there as they showed up at my door and you know, I don’t know what, what good numbers are when it comes to selling comics and graphic novels and stuff.

But, you know, my goal was to sell a hundred in the first month, which I’ve done. And half of those came from that Reddit post, honestly, so that half were friends and family, and then half of those came from that one Reddit post. So I was super lucky to have done I’ve had that help.

Casey: Yeah. Yeah. So having, having done two issues of the same comic My initial reaction was like, okay, second issue.

It’s going to kind of Peter off because some of those friends and family that are buying the comeback are going to be like, okay, look, I did it last time. Who cares? And, but if you keep that pressure up, There, they’re going to be people that come back and you’re going to [00:24:00] reach new people and

Josh Wilson: new people.

That’s the secret, you know, you, you can’t rely on the friends and family. You’ve got to find exactly what actually there for what, for what you’re selling, you know?

Casey: Yeah. And, and lately I’ve just been, I haven’t really put it out there much, much, like, you know, aunts and uncles and stuff, because I know that like they don’t care

Josh Wilson: comic fans really.

Casey: They’re just exactly. Yeah. But the people that, that bought it first time that didn’t know me from that. They came back. That’s awesome. And that’s such a gratifying feeling in you’re going to get that too. And you’re going to feel like king shit when that happens, because it is red. That’s amazing. Are you

Josh Wilson: selling them?

Primarily online and then shipping them out that way or in stores?

Casey: So we have a few. Well, I think we have two or three comic shops in Texas that sell them. I need to take some issues to my local comic shop. I worked so much that I rarely get a chance to go. And we live kind of outside of the city, like a good 45 minutes away.

So, my goal is to go by on a [00:25:00] Saturday and drop some off and The nearest comic shop, which is about 30 minutes away.

Josh Wilson: Yes. A little bit of dry, but I have definitely found, oh, I’ve got mine in three here in Denver. And then I happened to be on our honeymoon in, in California and I got one in LA there and then one in Chicago, it’s all been walking in the door and they’re always, usually pretty helpful and want to help indie artists.

And it’s, it’s like, I think more difficult to say no to your face than to delete an email.

Casey: Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. And I’ve done a few. We have an online store and we’ve sold You’ve actually done a lot more online sales than I had anticipated. That’s awesome. And yeah, it’s pretty rag going to the post office with like a stack of books.

I love it. Yeah, I do. Yeah. It’s pretty good feeling. So, Twilight, custard, Ben, tell us how you can order this book.

Josh Wilson: Yeah, absolutely. So the best way to do it is just by going to Twilight custard.com. That goes right to me. I box it up and ship it right out to you. I try to do it within three days that I get the order.

So pretty quick turnaround time. [00:26:00] If you’re in, if you happen to be in Denver, it’s at mutiny comics, mile high comics and all CS comics. And if you’re in Santa Monica, California, it’s in Heidi ho comics and in Chicago, it’s in Chicago comics. So, but yeah, the website’s the best way to do it. There’s also, you can get it digitally through Amazon.

You know, you want to hold the physical copy in your hand, you know, you don’t, you can’t, you know, it’s nice on an iPad too, but if you got a physical book on your bookshelf, I think

Casey: that’s a lot better. It’s it? There is a, the tactile feel of a comic that you can kind of curl up and read on the couch and, you know, It’s like, that’s a good

Josh Wilson: feeling, man.

Yeah. And it helps to create, or a lot more to generally, you know, I think if you’re, if you’re buying those physical copies, if you like indie comics and you want to support indie comic makers, and I think buying that physical copies of the way to do

Casey: it. Oh yeah. Yeah. So, Go to a Twilio customer comic, just Twilight, custard.com, Twilio customer.com.

Get that book. And

do you have any like [00:27:00] any hints about what your next project might, might entail?

Josh Wilson: Yeah, I don’t mind talking about it. What’s what’s the worst that can happen now. It’s, it’s it’s I’m trying to think of a way to describe it, cause I’m still kind of churning the story over in my head and figuring out.

How it’s going to unfold, but it’s essentially about the scientist. Who accidentally stumbles upon a, another dimension, an alternate reality, kind of a tear in the space time fabric for just like a split second. And he basically falls in love with a figure on the other side of it before it closes up. And so he’s trying so hard to get back to that point, doing everything he can, even to the point of, of, of bringing the world close to, to an end because of his, his scientific experiments.

And obviously I won’t tell you what, what ends up happening, but I will tell you one of the side-effects of his of his experiments kind of. Makes terrors in the fabric of space and time. And it, he accidentally invents go switches, essentially people [00:28:00] seeing into this other dimension. And so the comic is called the invention of ghosts.

Oh, that’s rad. It was basically a, a sad boy love story.

Casey: Hey man, there’s something to be said for a sad boys out there. It’s good stuff, man. Stories of those My my Spotify has me pegged as a sad boy.

Josh Wilson: I’m pretty sure that’s hilarious,

Casey: but yeah. Twilight, custard.com. You guys go get that book. Tell us about your favorite local, by the way, like we want to keep these places

Josh Wilson: open.

Yeah. My favorite in, in Denver is definitely a mutiny comics. It’s an awesome place. It’s like a mixture of books, comics. They’ve got pinball machines, it’s a coffee shop. They do like stand-up comedy in the back. It’s like a really awesome place. So definitely if you’re ever in the Denver area mutinies the way to way to go.

The guy there too, the guy who runs the comic portion of it he goes by professor and he’s just a super awesome supportive guy to indie comic creator. Our,

Casey: our [00:29:00] local is they, they deal a lot with Indies is a comic shop slash tattoo parlor and yes, rad. So you’ll be looking at your you know, the, the newest issue of whatever.

And you’ll just hear in the background. So that’s

Josh Wilson: kind of the nature of the business unit. It’s difficult to sustain on comic books alone with a brick and mortar store. Oh, yeah.

Casey: Yeah. You get, like, you kind of have to find your own little niche and what, what’s the name of the mayhem comics? Mutiny, mutiny, mutiny comics.

It sounds like they they kind of found their, their thing to, to make them stand out from the rest. And that’s awesome.

Josh Wilson: Yeah. They made it like a cool place to hang out, which is important.

Casey: Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah. Nerds need to. Fun

Josh Wilson: at each other. I need a place to nerd. Exactly,

Casey: exactly. The, you know, you got to get outside of the house.

So, man, I’m super excited for Twilight custard. Thank you for coming on the show. Is there [00:30:00] anything else you want to touch on before we No. I mean,

Josh Wilson: I’m obviously picking up the book would be amazing. You can definitely check out my Instagram which is just Josh Wilson creates. So you can find out kind of what I’m getting into.

I just started my own podcast actually with a friend called do we dream of electric people and it’s about robots and Androids and in movies and TV and stuff like that, too. All kinds of stuff on my, on my Instagram and Twitter. So follow me and, and see if you like what. Awesome.

Casey: Awesome. And as an aside something else that you’ve, you’ve done check out fear of flying.

It’s it’s a short film that you have on YouTubes. And if you’re flying, let’s say that right. Did you freeze the Lord?

Josh Wilson: Oops. They’re frozen on me.

Casey: Can you hear me?

Josh Wilson: Yeah, I gotta let you froze up for a second there.

Casey: Rural internet, man. So fear of flying your, your short-term. Yes,

Josh Wilson: absolutely. Check that out too on YouTube. And thank you Casey so much for having me on, but to like checking out all my stuff, that really means a lot to me. [00:31:00] And you’ve been definitely the most thorough to go through all that stuff, even the older music.

So, I mean, that’s amazing. Thank you so much. And there’s a lot, you dude.

Casey: It was a, it was my pleasure. I enjoyed it. And I’m stoked for you. Twilight, custard, you guys go out there and get it. Man, you have a good one. All right. Thank you. You too. Very nice to meet you. Nice to meet you as well.

I’ll be seeing more from you next time you have a project you want to talk about

Josh Wilson: by all means. Come on. Oh yeah, definitely. Thank you. Thank you, your brother. Bye-bye.