Supernatural Baby Detective and Jonly Nonly!

SBD & JN John: [00:00:00] All right, John: we're recording, motherfucker. First time in like almost a year. Almost a fucking year. Yeah, I don't know. I could look, but I don't Kenric: want to. Yeah. Yeah. It's got to be John: All right, John: we're recording, motherfucker. First time in like almost a year. Almost a fucking year. Yeah, I don't know. I could look, but I don't Kenric: want to. Yeah. Yeah. It's got to be pretty close already. Hey, yeah, we're back. And now it's, it's skinny, John. It's Skinny Kenrick. Yeah. Getting there. I got a lot. I still got a long ways to go. Kenric: You did a, you did a [00:01:00] thing. I did a thing. It's not like you did surgery. You didn't do surgery. You just did a, a process. John: I did a lot of cocaine. Yeah. Just like pounds and pounds of cocaine. Just a mountain. Kenric: That's not a white beard. No, no. John: This is just, this is, this is breakfast and this morning leftovers. Kenric: It's residue. Yeah. John: You know that scene in Scarface where he just dives his face in, like that was me every morning. Six months, lost the weight. But it worked. Kenric: Honestly. I can't remember. I don't want to. I don't know what it's called, John: honestly. I did a program, I'm not going to promote them, but I did a program. John: Yeah, you did a program, and it worked really well for you. It worked well, yeah, man. Kenric: You're weird, man. We went to your house, we had, you barbecued, you pulled out that scale, started fucking chopping up your stuff, weighing everything, and I was like, damn. Dude, it works. It works, man. It works for me. John: Well, I mean, basically, I went from I'm, I'm fine talking about it now, but I went from 310 in January to 195 now, Kenric: [00:02:00] 310, dude. Kenric: Yeah. And I was at 265 in March. I'm at 210. John: I went from a size what 42 to a 34. Kenric: Yeah, I went from a size 40 to a 34. We care differently. So, right, right. John: I carry my weight all over my body. Mine's Kenric: all in my, in my, my moves in my, John: in my gut. Yeah. Which is why when I, I didn't post pictures online, like most of this or anything like that. John: But now that I'm, now that you and I both promote like in the process of promoting new books, new comics. I've been posting Tik TOKs with myself in it and I got a message from two of my friends being like are you sick? Do you have cancer? Cause I also, I shaved my head too. Right. And I'm like, no, no, no. John: I don't have cancer. I just shaved my head. Cause I didn't want it anymore. And I've Kenric: just lost so much weight. They reached out to me and they're like there's something going John: on with John. I'm Kenric: like, Oh man, I just started laughing. I was like, no, no. But I gotta tell you when you, when you lost like that first 50 pounds. Kenric: Yeah. You know, you [00:03:00] looked weird. I did. Because you like lost it so fast. Yeah. At the beginning, that it was like, Oh, you know, when somebody's like, This sounds so bad. No, that doesn't sound bad. You know, when somebody's like, weighs a lot, and they lose a ton of weight, all of a sudden they look, like, especially if they don't lose it correctly. Kenric: Yeah. Right? Like they stop eating or, or something, and then all of a sudden, you know. And that, at the very beginning, but then, but then all of a sudden, your skin like stretched back and did what it's doing pretty good, John: yeah. It's... It's crazy, man. We both, I'm one, I'm proud of both of us for getting the fucking weight off at our age. John: It's great. And like being healthier. And for me, it was like, the whole reason for this is I'm 41. I got kids and I had, I was having high blood pressure. I had a super high blood pressure and like, I felt Kenric: what happened that made you worry about your high blood pressure. John: I mean, something with you happened, but I'll let you talk about that. John: But I had a high blood pressure. I felt like crap. And then I was like, you know [00:04:00] what? Screw this. Yeah, I'm dropping the weight and have to do with that and have your thing happen to you at the same time. And I was like, no, I had a heart attack. Yeah, yeah, I was like, no, I don't want to do that. So I I took it seriously and I started just like the caloric deficit and like being more active and like not eating sugar. John: Like I pretty much cut sugar almost completely out of my diet. Kenric: That's what I do. That's that's like the number. So, yeah, cutting sugar. Well, I had the heart attack. Yeah, I'm fine. If anybody. Knows who we are and John: everybody cares. Can I get, Kenric: They put two stints in. I got lucky. I just felt bad and felt like I had indigestion. Kenric: Yeah, but my dad died super young and then my mother died even younger. She died at 35. Yeah. A heart attack. So, I was like, you know what, I'm going to go in just to make sure. Went down. Did the EKG. I felt fine after the EKG, like I didn't have any symptoms anymore. But they did [00:05:00] the blood test and they came back, oh, you have torpidin, which is an enzyme that your heart produces when it's under attack. Kenric: And it's really high, so you're definitely staying. And the next morning they had me by 10, I went in at 5 p. m. at night. And then by 10 a. m. the next morning they had me on the operating table and they put two stents in. And yeah. And yeah, and now I'm on like a million pills right now for the next year, well until March, and then about three, four days later, maybe a week later, they're like, oh, by the way, you have type two diabetes on top of that. Kenric: I'm like, sweet, I ate myself to just ridiculous health. So. Yeah. Changing my diet was not a choice, you know, you're like, how'd you lose all your weight? And I'm like, well, have a heart attack. If he told you, but diabetes almost died and everything becomes a lot easier. Oh yeah. And I talked about heart surgeon, dude. Kenric: He's amazing. His name, his name is Shah Shankar Rajal. He's from Nepal. He's awesome. And he's my age. He goes, yours [00:06:00] actually hit me harder than most because you're my age. And we and I see how fast it can go. You know, because usually he's working on people like in their 60s or whatever, but he worked on this guy that was like in his 30s or early 40s and they did the same surgery I had. Kenric: And then on the way home, the dude stops by, like, Jack in the Box and get a double bacon cheeseburger. What? Yeah. And he was like, he's like, he told me, you know, and I was glad that he told me, I guess, but he goes, I, you know, he saw me three months later, my, all my cholesterol numbers are where they're supposed to be. Kenric: Yeah, you know, healthy. My A1c went from a 9. 3, which is super high. Yeah. Anybody knows down to a 6. 0. Just because I, you know, stopping the sugar eating healthier, you know, it helps you feel so much better. John: Really does help. Yeah. I, Kenric: and I'm just trying to get to like one, I'm trying to get down to like one [00:07:00] 90 but doing I can't do the weight and doing all that. Kenric: I'll, I can do it at the beginning, but then it'll just stop. I know how I, you know? John: Yeah, I, I it was hard at first, but really it's anymore. It's like, it just ingrained in my head of what I should be eating. Yeah, it's like no problem now. But I mean, I feel I have so much more energy and I feel so much better every day and it's awesome. Kenric: Yeah, it's awesome. You know, what's funny though, is. We started, I, I wrote, so I've been working on this book, Supernatural Baby Detective, and you guys, and people are watching this or seeing this, probably have seen some of the promos I've done. Maybe, I don't know, maybe you have, maybe you haven't, if you haven't, you can go to my Instagram and check it out. Kenric: Or TikTok. Or yeah, or the Tiki Taki. And but it's funny because I hired Ramza Sandoval, I know I said his name wrong. Right. So, We would say it in America's Sandoval, but he's from the Yucatan, he lives in the Yucatan [00:08:00] area of Mexico, and he says it, I have it, so I can say it right, I said, tell me how to say it, cause I hate saying it wrong and then, and then Johnny is coloring, and then we have we got the great Richard Starkings to come on and do lettering for us, which is crazy, but started this journey in February, been working on the, the story itself for like, I don't know, two years? Kenric: A year and a half, two years? John: We talked about it on the show. Kenric: Yeah, yeah. And then I started doing it. And yeah, I don't know. Anyways, finally, you know, wrote the initial script. And hired, hired Ram. Started getting everything done. And then, during the middle of everything, boom, had a heart attack. In March. Kenric: Yeah. The funny thing is I didn't, I don't, I told you the night that it was going on, but it was like two days later. You're like, wait, wait, it was real. John: Like, no, it's fine. It's fine. [00:09:00] It's fine. Then I find out from somebody else. You're a heart attack. I'm like, thanks for texting me asshole. Kenric: Well, I was, I, I was in surgery. John: This is true. I'll give you that. I'll give you that. But now. Kenric: You're doing better. Yeah. Now I'm doing better. And now we got a lot of cool stuff going on. Yeah, kickstarter for supernatural baby detective is just around the corner. Hopefully, hopefully in September, John: if you'll let me, I'll show us some pages for it for you. John: Yeah, let's do it. So I got like, I this is like, this is colors for page one. Yeah. Which looks pretty good. Yep. I'm pretty happy with it. And then, Kenny's been posting these all over his stuff too, but yeah, for the show here, there's that. And then probably one of my favorite pages that I'm allowed to show is Kenric: that one. Kenric: Yeah, that's John: cool. There's other pages that I like more, but I can't show them because they're spoiler Kenric: pages. Go to the island. You can show the one with the with the cleaver. John: Which, which one? And he's [00:10:00] holding it straight out. With the the, the deep one. Kenric: Okay. You know which one I'm talking about? I think it's page 13. Kenric: Thank you. Thank you. John: Yeah, the, the one, the one we're making a thing out of that one. Pretty cool. Yeah. That one came out pretty awesome. Yeah. I will say, I will say I had a lot more fun coloring this than I thought I was going to have. Yeah, Kenric: that's good. What's funny is if you wanna talk about 80 years , John: I, it did to me long time. John: If you wanna talk about process on this real quick. When we first talked about doing this, I was like, yeah, I'll color it. 'cause I like, I I, I found out, I found that I enjoy coloring comics more than I enjoy drawing comics. Yeah. 'cause I, I colored the the Nancy e story that you wrote, right. You, you wrote that Nancy Ein story and Scott Galeski. John: Drew it and then I colored it. I had a lot of fun doing that. Yeah. And so when you, when you, when you try to talk about this idea, I was like, one, I want to be involved in this somehow. And two, I'd love to color it. And he said, yeah, you can color it. So I, I colored it and I helped with like some, some art direction here and there. John: As far as like with ROM and stuff, ROM didn't need a lot of directions. He's [00:11:00] freaking good. But my initial thought of color in this book was not doing it like that. My initial thought was I'm going to print these pages out. And I'm going to color them by hand. I'm going to color them. I'm going to do a, I'm going to do a lot of Kenric: credit. Kenric: You did talk about doing it by hand. John: Yeah. I want to do. I want to do a Copic marker, watercolor paint version of it. Cause that's how I saw it in my head was just like this deep, deep, de saturated noire colors. Where I was going to set all the base colors and shading in, in with Copics and stuff like that on a full page. John: And then then scan it in and do enhancements in like Photoshop or Clip Studio or whatever. But then just due to the fact that I am ADD as hell and just can't time in for the shit or at least at the time I could not time in for the shit. I was like, Kenrick, if I don't do this today, it's never going to get done. John: Yeah. So I started doing them on the iPad. And then it did take me way too long to do this. And once I got into a groove, the app got pretty quick, but like I flatted the flooding didn't take very long, but I think for the next issue, I'm not going to, I'm not going to flat everything first. I'm just going to flatten detail as I go. John: Each page is finished. The pages of the go, but I [00:12:00] flatted every all 24 pages first, then went back and detailed all the pages, which basically meant I was doing each page twice. Kenric: Exciting though. When you figure out how to flatten them John: quickly. Yeah. Well, the first, like. So the first four or five pages, I flooded the hard way because I hadn't done in a long time. John: And I was like, Oh, this is taking so long. And then I realized that I figured out a way to do it, where I could fly the page in like an hour or less. Yeah. Like shit. So I just zoomed through the rest of them. And then I didn't detail for a while because I'm a bad person. But then I got it also the detailing too is like, I was trying to figure out the style of the detail, detailed, and, you know, cause the first like four tries I was detailing the first page and doing different types of like detailing, like whether I was going to do like a realistic, more like shading with gradations or like the hard lines or like a combination of that. John: None of it looked good to me. It all came out looking like garbage. And then it wasn't until I got to the flooding on the page and I don't think this is a spoiler, a page where Frank is holding a photograph. Yeah. On that page, I was working on the photograph [00:13:00] coloring, and I was like, let me try something, and I detailed their photograph. John: That was the first thing I ever detailed was that photograph on that page. And I was like, oh, doing a 3 4 level coloring aspect is working. Hard lines doing 3 4 levels of gradation, of gradation, of shading is working for this. So what I did is I ended up basically using that style, which is where I basically had four layers. John: Yeah. Three for shadows and one for highlights shadows, different levels and did all my shading that way. And then all my highlights that way and ended up working out really well. So then I was able to go back through all the pages and do them all that way. And once I got into the groove of it, it got to be pretty quick. John: And it's pretty, and I think it came out looking a lot better than I thought I was going to look at because I have really bad imposter syndrome when it comes to creative stuff. For a while I'm doing it, I'm like, this is shit, this is shit, this is shit, no one likes this, Kira's gonna hate this, he's gonna go, he's gonna go, yeah, good job, John, I'll tell you that to your face because you're my friend, but I'm really gonna have somebody else do this in the next issue and be done with you.[00:14:00] John: And then, when it came out, I, like, when I finished it all and I went back through it, like, a week later, after I let my brain separate from the process of doing it, I was like, no, these Kenric: actually look pretty, pretty good. They look great. They look great. That's why I keep telling you that if you wanted to do a career in coloring, you probably could do it. John: Yeah. What's funny is, Kenric: Oh, you married my niece. I'm saying it John: because well, our buddy Sumner said the same thing to me when I colored that thing for our Christmas special the first time, which is like, it means a lot to me coming from both of you guys. But I feel like a fraud because I don't really know color theory. John: I just pick whatever colors look best to my brain at the time and then just make a match. But yeah, I mean, I love it. I love, I love, actually, I really, I really do love coloring. It's so much fun. Kenric: Yeah. Well, I, I get the same way when I'm Going through the story. I'm like, is this shit good? Yeah. You John: still talk to talk about your writing process for this book. John: Cause it's been a journey for you. Kenric: Yeah. Well, the writing process, I don't think [00:15:00] I do anything correctly or technically the way somebody who is college educated, specific writing fiction, does it, but is, is, John: is there a right way to write? I mean, there's no right way. Kenric: I don't think so. I, so what I did is I got a really giant whiteboard. Kenric: Yeah. And, and then I saw the prices of what giant whiteboard, and I was like, oh, those things are expensive. So I went down to Home Depot and got a it's like a, it's like a countertop and it's, oh yeah, you showed me that. It's pretty bad. Yeah. But it was like 15, 20 bucks for this eight foot ta and it, and it's all whiteboard on one side, you know? Kenric: Right. So I was like, awesome. And I hung that up and then I literally just started Like creating a flow of what I wanted, you know what I mean? I put out all my characters and then just basically this, this, this, this, this, this, this, you know, started happening, right? This happens and [00:16:00] this happens and this happens. Kenric: And that gave me a some kind of a map. So, you know, basically I plotted it out and then You know, it wasn't until Kenric: I struggled with how, okay, how do I write this out? You know, it's not a novel and I don't think you can write it like a novel. No, you can't John: get the pacing. The pacing will be different Kenric: in a novel. Yeah. The pacing is different. And then it's, it's more like a movie script. Yeah. And so I was like, okay, well, I started writing it out like a script, like a movie script, but that was confusing too, because I'm more of a visual learner. Kenric: I need to see it. Yeah. Right. I mean, I have, you know, I'm okay reading it and then applying what I read, but when I'm writing out the process for, for this book, I, you know, I needed to see the layout. Yeah. So, and I was like, Well, I have a corporate job, so I'm in PowerPoint all the time. So I was like, [00:17:00] I'm just going to use what I know, you know? Kenric: So I got into, I got into PowerPoint and it was just funny because I was like, I'll just set up the page, like an eight and a half by 11 page or by the size of a comic book. And then I just used text boxes and made different layouts. And I had like six or seven different layouts, and I would change them for every page, and then on the page, I'd go in and I'd start writing my script from page one all the way to page 24, and I'd put it, you know, and I would have my description of what's happening in the box, and then my dialogue, and then go through each one, and and then I went backwards and wrote my script from that, right, out, and You know, it worked for me. Kenric: It worked . I don't know if it's the the way to do it, if that's what I should be doing. It works though. But it worked. And [00:18:00] yeah, got some really good feedback from some people and said, okay, well cool. And then yeah, so that was the, that was my writing process, which is, I, I think completely different. Kenric: I don't know, I mean, maybe, maybe a lot of people, I mean, Neil Gaman does have in his masterclass 'cause I watched the Like the 20 minute free that he gave out. Yeah. And he talks about just getting paper and start drawing out your boxes and start writing to those. And that's basically what I did. I just happened to use PowerPoint. Kenric: But I laugh because the first time I sent you the script, I didn't send you a script. I sent you a PowerPoint and you're like, what the fuck is this? John: Well, honestly, I had never thought about doing that before. Cause most of my writing, I'm a very visual person myself too. And I'm a very well, you hit the PowerPoint. Yeah. Yeah. So I never thought about doing a PowerPoint before. Cause I don't, I don't use PowerPoint all day long. John: Like you do. You may use PowerPoint, not quite as that much, but It's like, oh, this is a great way to do this visually. I'm like, kind of like map out in your head because being an artist myself, [00:19:00] when I write, I'm already mapping that out in my head. And I write that into my scripts. Usually. Well, if I'm writing a script for myself, I don't what I do. John: I kind of like, just tell myself what I'm trying to draw very loosely. And then I write my scripts out. And then the way I work, I always write dialogue very loose. And captions very loose when I write for my first draft and then I hone in my dialogue and my storytelling once the art's done, right? So once I have the art, then I go back through and say, okay, now I need to modify this because it doesn't fit in the panel or doesn't doesn't like flow. Kenric: That's what I ended up doing. Trimmed a lot. John: Yeah. And it's, it's, it's, you end up, you end up either cutting stuff out or adding in complete new stuff because you realize, oh, that seems missing something. It needs an extra box or it needs one less box, whatever. But the PowerPoint thing, I was like, that's genius. John: Especially if you want to like, if you want to say, okay, this is what I'm seeing in my head to the artist. Yeah. Take this and make it better with your vision or however you want to word it. But like, this is like how I'm seeing the page in my head, how I'm seeing the layout. Which is a [00:20:00] super cool way to go through, especially when you and I went through it the first couple of times where we did, we did a table read with it. John: We did kind of reading it through that way, kind of helped me as a person reading through it and like talking, talking to you through it initially understand your thought process behind the pacing of the page of the pages. Yeah, I think seeing it in the panels helps you understand the pacing of the page better than just reading a Kenric: script. Kenric: Yeah, well, once I started doing it that way, it really, all of a sudden, everything just started flowing out. You know what I mean? And I read, and I went right through the first and the second book. So the second book's already written. It needs to be edited, but it's already written. You know, and the third and fourth books are already plotted out. Kenric: So it's like, okay. And that made my life a lot easier. Now I have like, you know, a bunch of stories in my head that I want to get out that I've always, I mean, I've always had a bunch of things in my head. Yeah. That was one of the things that I was always pretty decent at was. Writing fiction, so, you know, [00:21:00] like, I'm the one who told the ghost stories when in Boy Scouts, when we went, you know what I mean? Kenric: Yeah, John: and you're a creative person by nature and it shows in this book and I'm, I'm super excited for people to read this book, Supernatural Baby Detective. I mean, it's, I can't, I know the hold up on it being released was totally me. I'll own that shit, but I think the end result is going to be fantastic, to be honest. John: And I'm not just saying it because I'm a part of it, I'm saying it because I legit think it's Kenric: good. But at the same time, though, you started working back on John: Jonely Nonely. I did. I did. Kenric: That's... For people who don't know, Jonely Nonely is a web based, is a webcomic that Johnny did back in, like, 2008. Yeah. For a while, and then now he's decided to revamp and redo it. Kenric: It's... What's the best way to describe JonelyNonely's John: expectations? So, I will answer that question with a quick description first, right? JonelyNonely, the name JonelyNonely comes from my [00:22:00] actual name, which is just JN. My grandfather got a credit card in the 70s, and this is back when you would call in, you would get it over the phone, right? John: And give your information, and his name was JN. Senior, he was the first JN and they asked him what his name was. And he said, my name is J only N only Horsley. And he got the credit card and it said, Jonely Nonely Horsley. So, the name Jonely Nonely comes from... I've Kenric: never heard this. Yeah. John: That's, that's the origin of the name Jonely Nonely. John: And then, the comment came from the fact that one day, Kaylee, my wife, your niece, and I were sitting around. And I was already doing webcomics. I was already doing the YTCL comic, which is gone. Kenric: They brought that out. They're like, look at this guy's John: name, right? Jonely Nonely. So she was, and so she like drew, drew like this really crude drawing of me and of my buddy Jeff and called us Jonely Like, cause he made Jeffers be a [00:23:00] ridiculous name, like Jonely Nonely. John: And I took that and I was like, I can make this funny. And so I took her little drawings and I made, in 08, I made a new comic, webcomic called Jolene Only, starring Jolene Only and Jeffers, and then I did a couple of strips, but just using her, like, drawings, as I'm, like, moving around in Photoshop as they are, and then she drew my friend Calvin as Calvarina. John: And I took, and then she redrew only in Jefferson to a little bit better versions of it already such a slut. He is such a slut. He's an equal, he's an equal opportunity slot that he doesn't care who he has sex with but I took the her drawings and I took him to illustrate. I made vectors out of them, right? John: Yeah, but so I'd have more control over moving them around and shit. And so I had Jolene only Jefferson in Calvarina that were the web coming for a couple of years and I just, I would just tell jokes and. I would use it, I would use it for like social commentary and some shit that was bothering me and I'd tell stupid, I mean, a lot of just really dumb ass jokes, like one of the first jokes is what do you get when you cross a brown chicken with a brown cow, [00:24:00] brown chicken, brown cow, like just stupid ass shit like that. John: And then there's other stuff in there too. And then Yeah, Kenric: you should do the the joke I told Jack. Oh, yeah. What do you get when Pillsbury Doughboy bends over? Dough's nuts. Dough's nuts. John: That actually would be perfectly fit into it. So I ended up, around the time Star Wars when Star Wars Force Awakens came out, I added a new character named Earth, which is based off my friend Nick, and the Earth comes from the fact that his letterman jacket in high school, his last name was Earp, but his letterman jacket, the P, looked like an F, so we called him Earth. John: Yeah. So I added that guy, I added him specifically so I could tell Star Wars jokes. And then, in 2016, I stopped doing webcomics completely, blah, blah, blah. But then I was like, I've got like, 200 pages of this comic, I want to do something with it. So I turned it, ended up turning it into a comic book. And now the Jolene only stuff that I'm doing now, I've made, I've created issues 1 through 8, probably on [00:25:00] my 5th time now, of going through them and redoing them completely. John: And now I'm done with that. I've got, it's crazy because I've been like super, Kenric: who's the target audience of John Lennon only fuck? I don't know John: stoners idiots. It's, that's a great question. I don't know because for the most part, I write Jolene only and make it because it makes me laugh. Kenric: Can I tell you something? Kenric: I hate that. That question. Yeah. You got to figure out your target audience and you got to promote to them and you got to, you know, you got to figure that out. You're like anybody you ask about how do I get my comic book out there and just, you know, to get it in front. Well, you got to figure out who your target audience is. Kenric: And then you got to, you, you, you got, you, you get, you got to funnel everything towards that group. And it's like, what the fuck? How do I, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know who these people John: are. My target audience is the ones that buy the book. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Right. It's like, cause I hate that question too, because my tastes are so eclectic. John: Like I like horror, comedy, sci fi romance. Like I [00:26:00] like so much. I guess I'm the target audience for a wide genre of stuff. So I don't. Yeah, me too. I feel like a lot of people are that Kenric: way. It's like, I don't know what to say. And I, it kind of drives me nuts. It drives John: me nuts too. So the hard lines for my book is people who enjoy stupid humor and Dick and fart, comedy, moronic comedy. John: Yeah. With Moronic comedy, that's a social aspect too, because I do, I do a lot of like education, education or grandstanding, because one, I, I feel that way. And two, it's also, it's also funny to me, but back to your question, like I've. I've got 10 issues done, like 10, 20, 10, well, it gets worse. I have 10, 24 page issues done with this ridiculous vectorized, copy paste, move things around, modify stuff with warping tools, art that I did telling these stories. John: But then I've also written 16 more issues. So I've got 26 issues of Dillon and Only written, 10 of them done with [00:27:00] my art style. Kenric: But then you, you had some other artists John: come on. Yeah, so she was issue 14 and 17 are done art wise by an artist named J. P. Pinote or J. B. Pinotes out of the Philippines. He's currently drawing issue 11, issue 12 is being drawn by a guy who goes by the name Bang Arts. John: I don't, I can't remember his name, his name's Gabriel doing a great job on that. Issue 13 is being drawn by my buddy, Greg Warrenchak, who did, he's the guy who drew the, the short story, The Black Hand in the Einsteinthology. Yeah, he's trying to shoot 13, but then J. B. Panote is the guy who drew 1417 and doing 11 right now gotten a really good relationship with him. John: And he's actually just going to draw the rest of them too. So I've got, he's working and he's fast too. I mean, he's finished two and a half issues in like three months, but now Kenric: they're going to be available first online as a, as a download, right? Digital. Yeah. John: So issue one actually is, I don't know when we're gonna release this episode, but issue one. John: We're released digitally on 8, 2, [00:28:00] 3, August 2nd on ytcl. net. It's already there to pre order. So if you go there now and go to the store and go to the, go to it, you can pre order it now and you'll get it. You'll get it. The day it comes out digitally. It's going to come out digitally. And then for the rest of this year, because I want to get to the new issues, issue 11 soon. John: Yeah. For the rest of this year, I'm releasing issues one through 10 every two weeks digitally. So, the 2nd, the 16th, the 8th, whatever 2 weeks after that is, I'll be releasing 1, 2, 3, all the way through 10 in December. So by January, the first Wednesday in January, I'll be releasing issue 11, which is the new one. John: Which is going to get a physical and a digital release at the same time. Oh, there you Kenric: go. Yeah. The one through 10 will be digital 11, 11 on. We'll have a physical component. Yeah. And eventually I'm going to run a John: Kickstarter on 11. I'm thinking about it. Yeah. And I'm thinking about by January, I'll have, I'll have people will know about a little bit more cause I'm promoting it on Tik TOK and Twitter and Instagram and everywhere else. John: And I'll have six months of promoting this book or five months part of this book, these books. And I'll do a [00:29:00] Kickstarter. I'll do something to, something to support it, crowdfund it. And I'll, I'll eventually print print physically one through 10 as well. I might do a short run of individual issues and I'll just do like a collected book of issues one through five and five, six or 10 as well, because I want to have them at, at conventions that we're going to do to sell. John: Right. But I figured to start, I'll just make them digital because it's cheap. It's super easy to do and I can get them out there, right? Get them done. That's what I want to do. And then yeah, that's, that's, that's what's going on with those. I mean, I got a lot more stuff going on that I'm working on. John: I have a lot more comics scheduled to release next year. They have different series, but right now, my main push is getting the Joni ones out there and getting them done. And I got to say, I don't think people are ready for issues 11 on once they look at issues 1 through 10 to be honest, like. John: It's, it's, it's a huge, I always Kenric: feel bad when you send me the, the, the scripts and you send me this stuff and I'm like, I don't get it. Yeah. I don't know what to say. It's definitely [00:30:00] there. I mean, it's creative. You're having a lot of fun and that's the best thing about it. You're having fun with this. Oh yeah. Kenric: And it's John: like, it's crazy. I mean, there's a lot of fourth wall breaking. There's a lot of like the characters, the characters are self aware that they're in a comic book. The character is like, I'm in the comic. I interact with the characters in the comic the artist, yeah, the artist, like JPJB, he interacts with the characters too. John: Like there's spots where he's like legitimately talking to Jolene only like on a page, like Kenric: a photo of him. Best story, dude. What? Your granddad getting credit cards. Yeah. John: Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's, that's in one of the issues too. I talk about that one of the issues too, but yeah, and there's, it's, it's, it's crazy. John: It's, it's ridiculous. It's like my. It's my, it's like an ADHD nightmare of like randomness, like one of the issues issue 17, there's a three page music video in the issue, which doesn't make a lot of sense for a [00:31:00] comic book, but it worked in the context of the issues and the music video in the comic book. John: I mean, issue 13. I'll tell it here. Yeah, I'll tell it here because it's not, it's not a spoiler, but issue 13 ends in a rap dance battle. It's an army issue takes place during a wartime and the two, the two sides by the end of the winter of the war by facing off in a rap dance battle. Kenric: That's funny. It's how all war should be done. Kenric: Right? John: Exactly. It just, it's ridiculous stuff like that that I do that. I'm like, it makes it creative and it makes it to where like, I have this, like one, I'm quick at writing those things. Like I can write, I literally have written like an issue in a day. And then gone back and edit it the next day and made it to where it and floated out and I can write them so fast because I know these characters so well and I write them and then I get them off to the artist and I get them back then I rewrite them and add more stuff to and make it make sense. John: Well, yeah, I make him make him make as much sense of the only and only comic can make right? It's ridiculous. But yeah, it's a lot of fun. And then It's all that matters. [00:32:00] Yeah, I've got other comics coming out. Like I got my inanimate comic coming out next year. I've got Sergeant Blinky coming out next year. Kenric: Blinky and his fantastic Brigade of Fantastic. John: Sergeant Blinky and his Brigade of Fantastic. I love that title. Yeah, dude, I've, I love that title so much. And it's that, that, Kenric: that comic is a lot of fun. I want it to be like a hardcore Vietnam frickin like the nom book. That's what I want it to be. And it's so not. John: It's not, it's not. I thought about like, so that, that comic is done with. Army men toys. It's stupid photos. Army men toys moved around Photoshop. Ridiculousness. I thought about like, so I've got three issues of that series planned out. I can't outlined out. I have thought about doing this for fun, making it five issues total. John: 1, 2, and 3 being army men making ridiculousness, issue 4 being hardcore, serious, dark war story, dark war artwork, and issue 5, back to army men, just to be, [00:33:00] just to fuck with everybody but I'll see if I I'll see if I, I'll see if I can get to it, if I not, if I can do it or not, because right now all I've done is, I've outlined it the series and I'm not gonna start working on that until I finish no, I have only one through ten released and then the next couple she's ready to go and I have an enemy at one and number one and two done because an enemy is the first other comment coming out next year. John: And then Blinky will come out later in the year, next year, sometime. There you go. And then I have comics coming out in 2025 or 2. I, I, I've got, I showed you my list. I got so much shit planned. If I actually, if I actually do it, it's going to Kenric: be crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, we got, we got some other ones planned too. Kenric: Oh we do, yeah. Yeah. The Rider of the West that we mapped out on a previous show from a couple years ago. We have two other, John: two other comics that we're working on besides Supernatural Barrier Detective. Yeah. Both of them, I'm, both of them I'm super excited for. I'm actually kind of excited for our, the most recent one we thought about. John: Yeah. Than Rider of the West. Probably because it's more, it's more recently in my brain. But I've been making, I've been making notes on that one. 'cause it's, it [00:34:00] sounds pretty awesome. Kenric: I, so, I, I am terrible about sharing, writing. I'm terrible about it. Like, if I write something out and then it, I, and I know that, you know what I mean? Kenric: So this last one I came up with, I came up with the idea, gave you the premise of everything. I said, now go write it . Yeah. Yeah. So that way you can write the script and then we can, then I think I'll have much better time trimming things down and being like, okay, da da, da. It'll be a better experience because I. Kenric: I have a hard time with control when it comes to, oh, I know, I know. I didn't do that. It's like, okay, well I know that. So I don't want to be, I don't want to be the asshole when it comes to John: that kind of stuff. Yeah. And I'm totally fine with, with taking this one, writing on the script for it and the outlines in the script and then going back over it with you and making changes. John: It's totally cool thing. I don't, I'm fine with that and I think it's gonna be good. I I, it, it's a great concept you come up with. It's a great concept that you and I hashed out after you talked to me about it and Yep. I think once we have supernatural Baby Detective under wraps, And out there. I mean, do this one, Kenric: you know, almost make it in the same universe too. Kenric: We could keep it connected if we wanted John: to do it really could be [00:35:00] connected. Yeah. And actually writer of the West could also be connected. Yeah. Kenric: They could all be connected universe would be John: kind of cool because they all have, they're not similar really in any way, but they all have the same kind of back end tone to them. John: Yeah. Kenric: Yeah. Anything that I'm, I'm terrible about. I'm not terrible. I guess. I don't know. I just, I just love that genre. Oh, me too. The supernatural, yeah, psychological stuff, it's, I love that, you know, that's what that's basically effective. I, you know, I came up with that name first on some podcast on some episode we were talking. Kenric: It made me laugh. And I was like, Oh my And then I started writing it out and it just became more serious as I was writing it out. But then it's still so ridiculous at the same time. It's, you know, the set, the first one is much more, the first book is much more I don't want to say, I don't know, you can't really say serious, but it's more noir feel. John: It reminds me, so you say that, I just thought this right now, is it kind of, and anybody who's seen [00:36:00] the show will kind of connect this, but the first issue, at least the first, like, 20 some pages of it reminds me of the setup of Supernatural, the TV show. Oh, really? Supernatural starts very serious, very dark, very, we're a horror show. John: They use that to set up these characters, and then it becomes much lighter, much more hearted, tells better stories after it has that. Look, we're in a world that has all this serious shit going on. Yeah. Let's tell you all that. Then let's move into, okay, these are real people. They've got more stuff to him than just the darkness. Kenric: Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's different, you know, but the second one, there's more jokes. Yeah. More, you know, more of some things happen, you know Ram, the artist is like, he was so excited when he read the script because there's like one scene that he can't wait to draw. Nice. You know, and then you know, there's a running joke. Kenric: To the whole thing that has a payoff at the end. I'm not, I don't even want to talk about it because that might, yeah, John: it's a spoiler. Don't spoil things. So [00:37:00] Kenric: it's going to be a lot of fun. I just John: hope it does well. I have a, I have a really good feeling about this book. To be honest. I'm good. Kenric: Me too. Yeah. I'm trying to, I always feel like I don't know. Kenric: I read through it and I guess I don't know. I want people's honest opinion. Yeah. You know? Whether it hurts or not, you know, cause you can't, I just come to realize really quick. You can't please everybody. John: No, you can't. Kenric: I mean, you know, I guess that helps me understand who my target audience is. If someone comes and says, dude, this isn't for me. Kenric: Okay. It's not for you. That's fine. Yeah. If I'm asking you for your advice on it then, you know, tell me what I did. Right. Tell me what I did wrong. I think that's what's driving me nuts when I've given it to some certain, you know, I've given it to, to people, to, you know, to, to get, I use the wrong word. Kenric: If you say opinion, then there's this weird, people start to feel you, you, you don't get what you really want. [00:38:00] Right. You know what I mean? And I don't want someone saying, oh, this is amazing. I don't need that. I don't need the accolade. No. You know, but if you ask for advice, Then they, they tend to take it more serious of what you're asking for. Kenric: And then they end up giving you constructive what you, you know, going through, because I don't, I don't, every time I asked somebody for their opinion, it was like, all they did was go through the whole thing and tell me what was wrong. Yeah. You know what I mean? Without understanding. They don't understand the characters. Kenric: They don't understand what's actually happening. They don't know all the plot lines that, you know what I mean? You know, so it's like, oh, I'm stuck on this or, John: and it's like. A great example of that is when the first time, the first edit I did of issue one, right? The first time I edited it, I mean, I went through my notes for you. John: You came back to me like, did you like any of it? Yeah, because, because when I was going through it, the only thing I thought about was, I'm only going to make notes on things that not that I want you to make changes, but something that I would have done differently and the way that read. And I see that after you pointed out was. John: Oh, this is wrong. Oh, that's [00:39:00] wrong. Oh, that's wrong. So when I went back again, I made sure to point out all the things that I liked as well. But it just helps Kenric: to understand, okay, should I do more of that? It's not that I need the, it's not that you need the feedback of making me feel good. It's just like, if I don't know what's right in the book and the things that you point out are wrong. Kenric: Might make sense. Might not. I don't know because I don't know if you, if anything else is right, you know, know that you don't like this. And then you're, you John: know, I think, I think the point, the pointing out the positive things as well, things I worked for me helped make the things that didn't work for me make more sense, right? John: Yeah. Whether you change them or not, it gave you a better understanding of why I might be saying, Hey, this didn't work for me, but this Kenric: does. You did this, which is cool. But then you said this and that, and that counteracts what I'm thinking when I, when I'm John: reading this. Yeah. Yeah. I think that what's funny is after I did that for you, I was going back and editing my own books. John: I did the same thing. I started, I started leaving myself notes in the edit thing. This works. I like, it's a good fucking job. God. [00:40:00] High five, John. Yeah. You know, I started writing that. I started writing those notes myself because like, I realized if I'm just editing my own stuff and commenting on stuff I don't want to change, I don't like, then I get stuck in this hole of like, God, this is crap. John: This is crap. This is crap. This is crap. Yeah. But I tell myself good fucking page. I'm like, yeah, it was a good fucking page. Kenric: Yeah. No, my whole thing is like, I tend to write characters, but then when I'm writing the dialogue in my head, I tend to write how I would say it. That's the hard part of characters. Kenric: Yeah. And that's the hard part. And then luckily I got a dialogue person. Yeah. It was some of that stuff. Great. Yeah. And he was, and he was awesome. Cause it was like, okay, cool. And then, and it wasn't like, I'm not, I'm not writing this for you. I'm just telling you, you think of this. Yeah. It's hard and that helped John: a lot the hardest thing when writing anybody who's a writer would tell you this. John: The hardest thing is to capture your character's voice. It's not yours. Yeah. And it took me a long time to learn that. And I don't know if I'm good at it yet or not, but if you go back and read a [00:41:00] lot of my early, early stuff from like, oh, three to oh, 2010, 2012, the YTCL stuff that I've destroyed. Nobody can ever read. John: It's not really destroyed, but I'm not ever going to publish it because it's garbage. I Kenric: still got the Y2K John: Slate book, so. I know, you're one of the lucky ones because I've taken that book down and you can't buy it anymore. Kenric: Well, I don't know about lucky, but yeah. You told me you John: liked the guy who was masturbating all the time. Kenric: I did like it. I was like, this is cool, man, because it was a freaking full on John: graphic novel. Yeah, but I realize if you read that, a lot of the characters have the same voice. They're all talking from the same place. There's not a lot of variance in the characters. I still have to admit, out of like the 12 characters in the first, like... John: Two books of that series, there's like four voices, that's it. Yeah. And a lot of them are the same. But it was Kenric: like, for instance, when Fred is, when the, the nurse asked Fred to cut the umbilical cord. Yeah. And you're like, he doesn't want to cut the umbilical cord. I'm like, he's like, I don't know, as a father, I, you know, that's what you [00:42:00] want to do. Kenric: No, no, no, no. I'm like, that's not him though. Won't do it. He's, he's, you know, he's scared to do anything. Yeah. No, I don't know if you remember this, but we actually had like a 20 minute conversation cutting the umbilical cord. We did. John: We did. And it was good though, too, because 1, it showed me the kind of voice you were trying to get for that character. John: Because when I first read that script. I read him as an asshole. I read him as a disingenuous father who was just not a good person. Yeah. That's not who you're trying to make. And we talked it out and you rewrote some stuff and him not cutting the milk cord makes a Kenric: lot more sense now. Yeah. He's just aloof. Kenric: He's just, he's just kind of a, he's an airhead. Right. But when I first John: read it, I first read it. I read it as, oh, he's a dick. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, it works. Kenric: I wanted him to be like this kind of relief factor. Yeah. And some things will, you know, when he walks in the room, you're like, Oh, okay.[00:43:00] Kenric: So I John: gotta go. Yeah. I mean, we're good. We talked about our books and I'm happy. Yeah. Kenric: So we get this. In the can, as we like to say here at John: Spoiler Country. I guess we're back. Kenric: One thing to note, things are drastically changing. We will still have some interviews. We'll still have, Melissa will still be doing stuff. Kenric: Renee will still be doing stuff. Hopefully Casey will still be more around. But Casey's doing a lot of work on Bigfoot Nose Karate and, and some other, other stuff. So we're gonna have different feeds. For people meaning still be spoiler country, but we'll have spoiler country interviews and all that kind of this main feeds going to be this guy, or I don't know where you're at that way, that guy and me myself talking, doing a lot more what we like to call tots, which is the tangent tangents. Kenric: And, and really. We are going to get more into producing and publishing [00:44:00] our, our, our comics, because we, this. We don't think we're going to make any money off of it, so that's not why we're doing it. It's for fun. We just love it. We love, we have fun with it. We love telling stories. John: I mean, we want to make money for sure. Kenric: Yeah, sure. I mean, that's always be a, that'd be, that'd be a great benefit, but that's not why we started. And yeah, so spoilerverse. com is coming, it's coming with a revamp and. We're going to be publishing John: more books and our imprint. Yeah. So we're doing, we're having an imprint where all our comments are going to come out in our spoiler verse comics, and you'll be able to get our, all of our comics at split verse. John: com. As well as the podcast, I'll be there. It's the website's going to be very, very simple. It's going to be based on the, it's going to be primarily focused on the comics that we make. It's a bunch of very detective Jonely, only ions anthology, all the other stuff that can are working on with links out to this podcast, fully country and links out to use [00:45:00] fully country interviews, which is going to have all the historical interviews we've all done with all the creators and any future interviews that we do will go on that feed. John: If you have somebody come on that just shoots the shits and talk to us about stuff, that'll be on this feed, but if it's on, if we're interviewing them about their book, their creative stuff, that's going to go on the interviews feed. We're going to keep those two distinctly separate because we've realized thanks to Dennis Karen and some of the people that we have fans or listeners of each, but not necessarily of both some of both, but mostly of each people who love this format of the show and people who love the interview format of the show. John: And I don't want to force. The listeners of either one of them to have to be subjugated, subjugated to both. If they don't want to, since it is kind of two different shows, you know, Kenric: all John: right, dude. All Kenric: right, man. Peace out. Kenric: pretty close [00:46:00] already. Hey, yeah, we're back. And now it's, it's skinny, John. It's Skinny Kenrick. Yeah. Getting there. I got a lot. I still got a long ways to go. Kenric: You did a, you did a thing. I did a thing. It's not like you did surgery. You didn't do surgery. You just did a, a process. John: I did a lot of cocaine. Yeah. Just like pounds and pounds of cocaine. Just a mountain. Kenric: That's not a white beard. No, no. John: This is just, this is, this is breakfast and this morning leftovers. Kenric: It's residue. Yeah. John: You know that scene in Scarface where he just dives his face in, like that was me every morning. Six months, lost the weight. But it worked. Kenric: Honestly. I can't remember. I don't want to. I don't know what it's called, John: honestly. I did a program, I'm not going to promote them, but I did a program. John: Yeah, you did a program, and it worked really well for you. It worked well, yeah, man. Kenric: You're weird, man. We went to your house, we had, you barbecued, you pulled out that scale, started fucking chopping up your stuff, weighing [00:47:00] everything, and I was like, damn. Dude, it works. It works, man. It works for me. John: Well, I mean, basically, I went from I'm, I'm fine talking about it now, but I went from 310 in January to 195 now, Kenric: 310, dude. Kenric: Yeah. And I was at 265 in March. I'm at 210. John: I went from a size what 42 to a 34. Kenric: Yeah, I went from a size 40 to a 34. We care differently. So, right, right. John: I carry my weight all over my body. Mine's Kenric: all in my, in my, my moves in my, John: in my gut. Yeah. Which is why when I, I didn't post pictures online, like most of this or anything like that. John: But now that I'm, now that you and I both promote like in the process of promoting new books, new comics. I've been posting Tik TOKs with myself in it and I got a message from two of my friends being like are you sick? Do you have cancer? Cause I also, I shaved my head too. Right. And I'm like, no, no, no. John: I don't have cancer. I just shaved my head. Cause I didn't want it anymore. And I've [00:48:00] Kenric: just lost so much weight. They reached out to me and they're like there's something going John: on with John. I'm Kenric: like, Oh man, I just started laughing. I was like, no, no. But I gotta tell you when you, when you lost like that first 50 pounds. Kenric: Yeah. You know, you looked weird. I did. Because you like lost it so fast. Yeah. At the beginning, that it was like, Oh, you know, when somebody's like, This sounds so bad. No, that doesn't sound bad. You know, when somebody's like, weighs a lot, and they lose a ton of weight, all of a sudden they look, like, especially if they don't lose it correctly. Kenric: Yeah. Right? Like they stop eating or, or something, and then all of a sudden, you know. And that, at the very beginning, but then, but then all of a sudden, your skin like stretched back and did what it's doing pretty good, John: yeah. It's... It's crazy, man. We both, I'm one, I'm proud of both of us for getting the fucking weight off at our age. John: It's great. And like being healthier. And for me, it was like, the whole reason for this is I'm 41. I got kids and I had, I was having high blood [00:49:00] pressure. I had a super high blood pressure and like, I felt Kenric: what happened that made you worry about your high blood pressure. John: I mean, something with you happened, but I'll let you talk about that. John: But I had a high blood pressure. I felt like crap. And then I was like, you know what? Screw this. Yeah, I'm dropping the weight and have to do with that and have your thing happen to you at the same time. And I was like, no, I had a heart attack. Yeah, yeah, I was like, no, I don't want to do that. So I I took it seriously and I started just like the caloric deficit and like being more active and like not eating sugar. John: Like I pretty much cut sugar almost completely out of my diet. Kenric: That's what I do. That's that's like the number. So, yeah, cutting sugar. Well, I had the heart attack. Yeah, I'm fine. If anybody. Knows who we are and John: everybody cares. Can I get, Kenric: They put two stints in. I got lucky. I just felt bad and felt like I had indigestion. Kenric: Yeah, but my dad died super young and then my mother died even younger. She died at [00:50:00] 35. Yeah. A heart attack. So, I was like, you know what, I'm going to go in just to make sure. Went down. Did the EKG. I felt fine after the EKG, like I didn't have any symptoms anymore. But they did the blood test and they came back, oh, you have torpidin, which is an enzyme that your heart produces when it's under attack. Kenric: And it's really high, so you're definitely staying. And the next morning they had me by 10, I went in at 5 p. m. at night. And then by 10 a. m. the next morning they had me on the operating table and they put two stents in. And yeah. And yeah, and now I'm on like a million pills right now for the next year, well until March, and then about three, four days later, maybe a week later, they're like, oh, by the way, you have type two diabetes on top of that. Kenric: I'm like, sweet, I ate myself to just ridiculous health. So. Yeah. Changing my diet was not a choice, you know, you're like, how'd you lose all your weight? And I'm like, well, have a heart attack. If he told you, but diabetes almost died [00:51:00] and everything becomes a lot easier. Oh yeah. And I talked about heart surgeon, dude. Kenric: He's amazing. His name, his name is Shah Shankar Rajal. He's from Nepal. He's awesome. And he's my age. He goes, yours actually hit me harder than most because you're my age. And we and I see how fast it can go. You know, because usually he's working on people like in their 60s or whatever, but he worked on this guy that was like in his 30s or early 40s and they did the same surgery I had. Kenric: And then on the way home, the dude stops by, like, Jack in the Box and get a double bacon cheeseburger. What? Yeah. And he was like, he's like, he told me, you know, and I was glad that he told me, I guess, but he goes, I, you know, he saw me three months later, my, all my cholesterol numbers are where they're supposed to be. Kenric: Yeah, you know, healthy. My A1c went from a 9. 3, which is super high. Yeah. Anybody knows down to a 6. 0. Just because I, [00:52:00] you know, stopping the sugar eating healthier, you know, it helps you feel so much better. John: Really does help. Yeah. I, Kenric: and I'm just trying to get to like one, I'm trying to get down to like one 90 but doing I can't do the weight and doing all that. Kenric: I'll, I can do it at the beginning, but then it'll just stop. I know how I, you know? John: Yeah, I, I it was hard at first, but really it's anymore. It's like, it just ingrained in my head of what I should be eating. Yeah, it's like no problem now. But I mean, I feel I have so much more energy and I feel so much better every day and it's awesome. Kenric: Yeah, it's awesome. You know, what's funny though, is. We started, I, I wrote, so I've been working on this book, Supernatural Baby Detective, and you guys, and people are watching this or seeing this, probably have seen some of the promos I've done. Maybe, I don't know, maybe you have, maybe you haven't, if you haven't, you can go to my Instagram and check it out. Kenric: Or TikTok. Or yeah, or the [00:53:00] Tiki Taki. And but it's funny because I hired Ramza Sandoval, I know I said his name wrong. Right. So, We would say it in America's Sandoval, but he's from the Yucatan, he lives in the Yucatan area of Mexico, and he says it, I have it, so I can say it right, I said, tell me how to say it, cause I hate saying it wrong and then, and then Johnny is coloring, and then we have we got the great Richard Starkings to come on and do lettering for us, which is crazy, but started this journey in February, been working on the, the story itself for like, I don't know, two years? Kenric: A year and a half, two years? John: We talked about it on the show. Kenric: Yeah, yeah. And then I started doing it. And yeah, I don't know. Anyways, finally, you know, wrote the initial script. And hired, hired Ram. Started getting everything done. And then, during the middle of everything, [00:54:00] boom, had a heart attack. In March. Kenric: Yeah. The funny thing is I didn't, I don't, I told you the night that it was going on, but it was like two days later. You're like, wait, wait, it was real. John: Like, no, it's fine. It's fine. It's fine. Then I find out from somebody else. You're a heart attack. I'm like, thanks for texting me asshole. Kenric: Well, I was, I, I was in surgery. John: This is true. I'll give you that. I'll give you that. But now. Kenric: You're doing better. Yeah. Now I'm doing better. And now we got a lot of cool stuff going on. Yeah, kickstarter for supernatural baby detective is just around the corner. Hopefully, hopefully in September, John: if you'll let me, I'll show us some pages for it for you. John: Yeah, let's do it. So I got like, I this is like, this is colors for page one. Yeah. Which looks pretty good. Yep. I'm pretty happy with it. And then, Kenny's been posting these all over his stuff too, but yeah, for the show here, there's that. And then probably one of my [00:55:00] favorite pages that I'm allowed to show is Kenric: that one. Kenric: Yeah, that's John: cool. There's other pages that I like more, but I can't show them because they're spoiler Kenric: pages. Go to the island. You can show the one with the with the cleaver. John: Which, which one? And he's holding it straight out. With the the, the deep one. Kenric: Okay. You know which one I'm talking about? I think it's page 13. Kenric: Thank you. Thank you. John: Yeah, the, the one, the one we're making a thing out of that one. Pretty cool. Yeah. That one came out pretty awesome. Yeah. I will say, I will say I had a lot more fun coloring this than I thought I was going to have. Yeah, Kenric: that's good. What's funny is if you wanna talk about 80 years , John: I, it did to me long time. John: If you wanna talk about process on this real quick. When we first talked about doing this, I was like, yeah, I'll color it. 'cause I like, I I, I found out, I found that I enjoy coloring comics more than I enjoy drawing comics. Yeah. 'cause I, I colored the the Nancy e story that you wrote, right. You, you wrote that Nancy Ein story and Scott Galeski. John: Drew it and then I colored it. I had a lot of fun doing that. [00:56:00] Yeah. And so when you, when you, when you try to talk about this idea, I was like, one, I want to be involved in this somehow. And two, I'd love to color it. And he said, yeah, you can color it. So I, I colored it and I helped with like some, some art direction here and there. John: As far as like with ROM and stuff, ROM didn't need a lot of directions. He's freaking good. But my initial thought of color in this book was not doing it like that. My initial thought was I'm going to print these pages out. And I'm going to color them by hand. I'm going to color them. I'm going to do a, I'm going to do a lot of Kenric: credit. Kenric: You did talk about doing it by hand. John: Yeah. I want to do. I want to do a Copic marker, watercolor paint version of it. Cause that's how I saw it in my head was just like this deep, deep, de saturated noire colors. Where I was going to set all the base colors and shading in, in with Copics and stuff like that on a full page. John: And then then scan it in and do enhancements in like Photoshop or Clip Studio or whatever. But then just due to the fact that I am ADD as hell and just can't time in for the shit or at least at the time I could not time in for the shit. I was like, Kenrick, if I don't do this today, it's never going to get done. John: Yeah. So I started doing them on the iPad. And then it did take me way [00:57:00] too long to do this. And once I got into a groove, the app got pretty quick, but like I flatted the flooding didn't take very long, but I think for the next issue, I'm not going to, I'm not going to flat everything first. I'm just going to flatten detail as I go. John: Each page is finished. The pages of the go, but I flatted every all 24 pages first, then went back and detailed all the pages, which basically meant I was doing each page twice. Kenric: Exciting though. When you figure out how to flatten them John: quickly. Yeah. Well, the first, like. So the first four or five pages, I flooded the hard way because I hadn't done in a long time. John: And I was like, Oh, this is taking so long. And then I realized that I figured out a way to do it, where I could fly the page in like an hour or less. Yeah. Like shit. So I just zoomed through the rest of them. And then I didn't detail for a while because I'm a bad person. But then I got it also the detailing too is like, I was trying to figure out the style of the detail, detailed, and, you know, cause the first like four tries I was detailing the first page and doing different types of like detailing, like whether I was going to do like a realistic, more like shading with gradations or like the hard lines or like a combination of that. John: None of it [00:58:00] looked good to me. It all came out looking like garbage. And then it wasn't until I got to the flooding on the page and I don't think this is a spoiler, a page where Frank is holding a photograph. Yeah. On that page, I was working on the photograph coloring, and I was like, let me try something, and I detailed their photograph. John: That was the first thing I ever detailed was that photograph on that page. And I was like, oh, doing a 3 4 level coloring aspect is working. Hard lines doing 3 4 levels of gradation, of gradation, of shading is working for this. So what I did is I ended up basically using that style, which is where I basically had four layers. John: Yeah. Three for shadows and one for highlights shadows, different levels and did all my shading that way. And then all my highlights that way and ended up working out really well. So then I was able to go back through all the pages and do them all that way. And once I got into the groove of it, it got to be pretty quick. John: And it's pretty, and I think it came out looking a lot better than I thought I was going to look at because I have really bad imposter syndrome [00:59:00] when it comes to creative stuff. For a while I'm doing it, I'm like, this is shit, this is shit, this is shit, no one likes this, Kira's gonna hate this, he's gonna go, he's gonna go, yeah, good job, John, I'll tell you that to your face because you're my friend, but I'm really gonna have somebody else do this in the next issue and be done with you. John: And then, when it came out, I, like, when I finished it all and I went back through it, like, a week later, after I let my brain separate from the process of doing it, I was like, no, these Kenric: actually look pretty, pretty good. They look great. They look great. That's why I keep telling you that if you wanted to do a career in coloring, you probably could do it. John: Yeah. What's funny is, Kenric: Oh, you married my niece. I'm saying it John: because well, our buddy Sumner said the same thing to me when I colored that thing for our Christmas special the first time, which is like, it means a lot to me coming from both of you guys. But I feel like a fraud because I don't really know color theory. John: I just pick whatever colors look best to my brain at the time and then just make a match. But yeah, I mean, I love it. I love, I love, actually, I really, I really do love coloring. It's so much fun. Kenric: Yeah. [01:00:00] Well, I, I get the same way when I'm Going through the story. I'm like, is this shit good? Yeah. You John: still talk to talk about your writing process for this book. John: Cause it's been a journey for you. Kenric: Yeah. Well, the writing process, I don't think I do anything correctly or technically the way somebody who is college educated, specific writing fiction, does it, but is, is, John: is there a right way to write? I mean, there's no right way. Kenric: I don't think so. I, so what I did is I got a really giant whiteboard. Kenric: Yeah. And, and then I saw the prices of what giant whiteboard, and I was like, oh, those things are expensive. So I went down to Home Depot and got a it's like a, it's like a countertop and it's, oh yeah, you showed me that. It's pretty bad. Yeah. But it was like 15, 20 bucks for this eight foot ta and it, and it's all whiteboard on one side, you know? Kenric: Right. So I was like, awesome. And I hung that up and then I literally [01:01:00] just started Like creating a flow of what I wanted, you know what I mean? I put out all my characters and then just basically this, this, this, this, this, this, this, you know, started happening, right? This happens and this happens and this happens. Kenric: And that gave me a some kind of a map. So, you know, basically I plotted it out and then You know, it wasn't until Kenric: I struggled with how, okay, how do I write this out? You know, it's not a novel and I don't think you can write it like a novel. No, you can't John: get the pacing. The pacing will be different Kenric: in a novel. Yeah. The pacing is different. And then it's, it's more like a movie script. Yeah. And so I was like, okay, well, I started writing it out like a script, like a movie script, but that was confusing too, because I'm more of a visual learner. Kenric: I need to see it. Yeah. Right. I mean, I have, you know, I'm okay reading it and then applying what I read, [01:02:00] but when I'm writing out the process for, for this book, I, you know, I needed to see the layout. Yeah. So, and I was like, Well, I have a corporate job, so I'm in PowerPoint all the time. So I was like, I'm just going to use what I know, you know? Kenric: So I got into, I got into PowerPoint and it was just funny because I was like, I'll just set up the page, like an eight and a half by 11 page or by the size of a comic book. And then I just used text boxes and made different layouts. And I had like six or seven different layouts, and I would change them for every page, and then on the page, I'd go in and I'd start writing my script from page one all the way to page 24, and I'd put it, you know, and I would have my description of what's happening in the box, and then my dialogue, and then go through each one, and and then I went backwards and wrote my script from that, [01:03:00] right, out, and You know, it worked for me. Kenric: It worked . I don't know if it's the the way to do it, if that's what I should be doing. It works though. But it worked. And yeah, got some really good feedback from some people and said, okay, well cool. And then yeah, so that was the, that was my writing process, which is, I, I think completely different. Kenric: I don't know, I mean, maybe, maybe a lot of people, I mean, Neil Gaman does have in his masterclass 'cause I watched the Like the 20 minute free that he gave out. Yeah. And he talks about just getting paper and start drawing out your boxes and start writing to those. And that's basically what I did. I just happened to use PowerPoint. Kenric: But I laugh because the first time I sent you the script, I didn't send you a script. I sent you a PowerPoint and you're like, what the fuck is this? John: Well, honestly, I had never thought about doing that before. Cause most of my writing, I'm a very visual person myself too. And I'm a very Oh, my camera just [01:04:00] really changed on me. John: What the heck? Yeah. Kenric: It froze for a second. John: What is going on? John: Why is this being ridiculous? John: I'll, I'll cut this out, I guess. But hold on just sitting here. Kenric: Yeah. You look fine though, dude. It's all blurry though. Oh, it doesn't look blurry from here. Why can't I change anything? John: I don't know. John: Oh, it's cause it's, John: it's not what I want. Sorry, everybody. You listen, I guess. John: Why is this not letting me. Make any changes.[01:05:00] John: I don't understand what's going on here. John: I got my settings here, but I can't Kenric: change anything, Kenric: whatever. I'll John: fix it later. It's, I guess it's good enough for this, right? John: You need to hear me. All right, well, let's go back. I mean, we'll just deal with the shitty video and I'll figure, I'll fix it later. What were we talking about? Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you hit the PowerPoint. Yeah. Yeah. So I never thought about doing a PowerPoint before. Cause I don't, I don't use PowerPoint all day long. John: Like you do. You may use PowerPoint, not quite as that much, [01:06:00] but It's like, oh, this is a great way to do this visually. I'm like, kind of like map out in your head because being an artist myself, when I write, I'm already mapping that out in my head. And I write that into my scripts. Usually. Well, if I'm writing a script for myself, I don't what I do. John: I kind of like, just tell myself what I'm trying to draw very loosely. And then I write my scripts out. And then the way I work, I always write dialogue very loose. And captions very loose when I write for my first draft and then I hone in my dialogue and my storytelling once the art's done, right? So once I have the art, then I go back through and say, okay, now I need to modify this because it doesn't fit in the panel or doesn't doesn't like flow. Kenric: That's what I ended up doing. Trimmed a lot. John: Yeah. And it's, it's, it's, you end up, you end up either cutting stuff out or adding in complete new stuff because you realize, oh, that seems missing something. It needs an extra box or it needs one less box, whatever. But the PowerPoint thing, I was like, that's genius. John: Especially if you want to like, if you want to say, okay, this is what I'm seeing in my head to the artist. Yeah. Take this and [01:07:00] make it better with your vision or however you want to word it. But like, this is like how I'm seeing the page in my head, how I'm seeing the layout. Which is a super cool way to go through, especially when you and I went through it the first couple of times where we did, we did a table read with it. John: We did kind of reading it through that way, kind of helped me as a person reading through it and like talking, talking to you through it initially understand your thought process behind the pacing of the page of the pages. Yeah, I think seeing it in the panels helps you understand the pacing of the page better than just reading a Kenric: script. Kenric: Yeah, well, once I started doing it that way, it really, all of a sudden, everything just started flowing out. You know what I mean? And I read, and I went right through the first and the second book. So the second book's already written. It needs to be edited, but it's already written. You know, and the third and fourth books are already plotted out. Kenric: So it's like, okay. And that made my life a lot easier. Now I have like, you know, a bunch of stories in my head that I want to get out that I've always, I mean, I've always had a bunch of things in my head. Yeah. That was one of the things that I was always [01:08:00] pretty decent at was. Writing fiction, so, you know, like, I'm the one who told the ghost stories when in Boy Scouts, when we went, you know what I mean? Kenric: Yeah, John: and you're a creative person by nature and it shows in this book and I'm, I'm super excited for people to read this book, Supernatural Baby Detective. I mean, it's, I can't, I know the hold up on it being released was totally me. I'll own that shit, but I think the end result is going to be fantastic, to be honest. John: And I'm not just saying it because I'm a part of it, I'm saying it because I legit think it's Kenric: good. But at the same time, though, you started working back on John: Jonely Nonely. I did. I did. Kenric: That's... For people who don't know, Jonely Nonely is a web based, is a webcomic that Johnny did back in, like, 2008. Yeah. For a while, and then now he's decided to revamp and redo it. Kenric: It's... What's the best way to describe JonelyNonely's John: expectations? So, I will answer that question with a [01:09:00] quick description first, right? JonelyNonely, the name JonelyNonely comes from my actual name, which is just JN. My grandfather got a credit card in the 70s, and this is back when you would call in, you would get it over the phone, right? John: And give your information, and his name was JN. Senior, he was the first JN and they asked him what his name was. And he said, my name is J only N only Horsley. And he got the credit card and it said, Jonely Nonely Horsley. So, the name Jonely Nonely comes from... I've Kenric: never heard this. Yeah. John: That's, that's the origin of the name Jonely Nonely. John: And then, the comment came from the fact that one day, Kaylee, my wife, your niece, and I were sitting around. And I was already doing webcomics. I was already doing the YTCL comic, which is gone. Kenric: They brought that out. They're like, look at this guy's John: name, right? Jonely Nonely. So she was, and so she like drew, drew like this really crude [01:10:00] drawing of me and of my buddy Jeff and called us Jonely Like, cause he made Jeffers be a ridiculous name, like Jonely Nonely. John: And I took that and I was like, I can make this funny. And so I took her little drawings and I made, in 08, I made a new comic, webcomic called Jolene Only, starring Jolene Only and Jeffers, and then I did a couple of strips, but just using her, like, drawings, as I'm, like, moving around in Photoshop as they are, and then she drew my friend Calvin as Calvarina. John: And I took, and then she redrew only in Jefferson to a little bit better versions of it already such a slut. He is such a slut. He's an equal, he's an equal opportunity slot that he doesn't care who he has sex with but I took the her drawings and I took him to illustrate. I made vectors out of them, right? John: Yeah, but so I'd have more control over moving them around and shit. And so I had Jolene only Jefferson in Calvarina that were the web coming for a couple of years and I just, I would just tell jokes and. I would use it, I would use it for like social commentary and some shit that was bothering me and I'd tell stupid, I [01:11:00] mean, a lot of just really dumb ass jokes, like one of the first jokes is what do you get when you cross a brown chicken with a brown cow, brown chicken, brown cow, like just stupid ass shit like that. John: And then there's other stuff in there too. And then Yeah, Kenric: you should do the the joke I told Jack. Oh, yeah. What do you get when Pillsbury Doughboy bends over? Dough's nuts. Dough's nuts. John: That actually would be perfectly fit into it. So I ended up, around the time Star Wars when Star Wars Force Awakens came out, I added a new character named Earth, which is based off my friend Nick, and the Earth comes from the fact that his letterman jacket in high school, his last name was Earp, but his letterman jacket, the P, looked like an F, so we called him Earth. John: Yeah. So I added that guy, I added him specifically so I could tell Star Wars jokes. And then, in 2016, I stopped doing webcomics completely, blah, blah, blah. But then I was like, I've got like, 200 pages of this comic, I want to do something with it. So I turned it, ended up turning it into a comic book. And now the Jolene only stuff that I'm [01:12:00] doing now, I've made, I've created issues 1 through 8, probably on my 5th time now, of going through them and redoing them completely. John: And now I'm done with that. I've got, it's crazy because I've been like super, Kenric: who's the target audience of John Lennon only fuck? I don't know John: stoners idiots. It's, that's a great question. I don't know because for the most part, I write Jolene only and make it because it makes me laugh. Kenric: Can I tell you something? Kenric: I hate that. That question. Yeah. You got to figure out your target audience and you got to promote to them and you got to, you know, you got to figure that out. You're like anybody you ask about how do I get my comic book out there and just, you know, to get it in front. Well, you got to figure out who your target audience is. Kenric: And then you got to, you, you, you got, you, you get, you got to funnel everything towards that group. And it's like, what the fuck? How do I, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know who these people John: are. My target audience is the ones that buy the book. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Right. It's [01:13:00] like, cause I hate that question too, because my tastes are so eclectic. John: Like I like horror, comedy, sci fi romance. Like I like so much. I guess I'm the target audience for a wide genre of stuff. So I don't. Yeah, me too. I feel like a lot of people are that Kenric: way. It's like, I don't know what to say. And I, it kind of drives me nuts. It drives John: me nuts too. So the hard lines for my book is people who enjoy stupid humor and Dick and fart, comedy, moronic comedy. John: Yeah. With Moronic comedy, that's a social aspect too, because I do, I do a lot of like education, education or grandstanding, because one, I, I feel that way. And two, it's also, it's also funny to me, but back to your question, like I've. I've got 10 issues done, like 10, 20, 10, well, it gets worse. I have 10, 24 page issues done with this ridiculous vectorized, copy paste, move things around, modify stuff with warping tools, art that I did telling these stories. John: But then I've also written [01:14:00] 16 more issues. So I've got 26 issues of Dillon and Only written, 10 of them done with my art style. Kenric: But then you, you had some other artists John: come on. Yeah, so she was issue 14 and 17 are done art wise by an artist named J. P. Pinote or J. B. Pinotes out of the Philippines. He's currently drawing issue 11, issue 12 is being drawn by a guy who goes by the name Bang Arts. John: I don't, I can't remember his name, his name's Gabriel doing a great job on that. Issue 13 is being drawn by my buddy, Greg Warrenchak, who did, he's the guy who drew the, the short story, The Black Hand in the Einsteinthology. Yeah, he's trying to shoot 13, but then J. B. Panote is the guy who drew 1417 and doing 11 right now gotten a really good relationship with him. John: And he's actually just going to draw the rest of them too. So I've got, he's working and he's fast too. I mean, he's finished two and a half issues in like three months, but now Kenric: they're going to be available first online as a, as a download, right? Digital. Yeah. John: So issue one [01:15:00] actually is, I don't know when we're gonna release this episode, but issue one. John: We're released digitally on 8, 2, 3, August 2nd on ytcl. net. It's already there to pre order. So if you go there now and go to the store and go to the, go to it, you can pre order it now and you'll get it. You'll get it. The day it comes out digitally. It's going to come out digitally. And then for the rest of this year, because I want to get to the new issues, issue 11 soon. John: Yeah. For the rest of this year, I'm releasing issues one through 10 every two weeks digitally. So, the 2nd, the 16th, the 8th, whatever 2 weeks after that is, I'll be releasing 1, 2, 3, all the way through 10 in December. So by January, the first Wednesday in January, I'll be releasing issue 11, which is the new one. John: Which is going to get a physical and a digital release at the same time. Oh, there you Kenric: go. Yeah. The one through 10 will be digital 11, 11 on. We'll have a physical component. Yeah. And eventually I'm going to run a John: Kickstarter on 11. I'm thinking about it. Yeah. And I'm thinking about by January, I'll have, I'll have people will know about a little bit more cause I'm promoting it on Tik TOK and [01:16:00] Twitter and Instagram and everywhere else. John: And I'll have six months of promoting this book or five months part of this book, these books. And I'll do a Kickstarter. I'll do something to, something to support it, crowdfund it. And I'll, I'll eventually print print physically one through 10 as well. I might do a short run of individual issues and I'll just do like a collected book of issues one through five and five, six or 10 as well, because I want to have them at, at conventions that we're going to do to sell. John: Right. But I figured to start, I'll just make them digital because it's cheap. It's super easy to do and I can get them out there, right? Get them done. That's what I want to do. And then yeah, that's, that's, that's what's going on with those. I mean, I got a lot more stuff going on that I'm working on. John: I have a lot more comics scheduled to release next year. They have different series, but right now, my main push is getting the Joni ones out there and getting them done. And I got to say, I don't think people are ready for issues 11 on once they look at issues 1 through 10 to be honest, like. John: It's, it's, it's a huge, I always Kenric: feel bad when you send me the, the, [01:17:00] the scripts and you send me this stuff and I'm like, I don't get it. Yeah. I don't know what to say. It's definitely there. I mean, it's creative. You're having a lot of fun and that's the best thing about it. You're having fun with this. Oh yeah. Kenric: And it's John: like, it's crazy. I mean, there's a lot of fourth wall breaking. There's a lot of like the characters, the characters are self aware that they're in a comic book. The character is like, I'm in the comic. I interact with the characters in the comic the artist, yeah, the artist, like JPJB, he interacts with the characters too. John: Like there's spots where he's like legitimately talking to Jolene only like on a page, like Kenric: a photo of him. Best story, dude. What? Your granddad getting credit cards. Yeah. John: Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's, that's in one of the issues too. I talk about that one of the issues too, but yeah, and there's, it's, it's, it's crazy. John: It's, it's ridiculous. It's like my. It's my, it's like an ADHD nightmare of like randomness, like one of the issues [01:18:00] issue 17, there's a three page music video in the issue, which doesn't make a lot of sense for a comic book, but it worked in the context of the issues and the music video in the comic book. John: I mean, issue 13. I'll tell it here. Yeah, I'll tell it here because it's not, it's not a spoiler, but issue 13 ends in a rap dance battle. It's an army issue takes place during a wartime and the two, the two sides by the end of the winter of the war by facing off in a rap dance battle. Kenric: That's funny. It's how all war should be done. Kenric: Right? John: Exactly. It just, it's ridiculous stuff like that that I do that. I'm like, it makes it creative and it makes it to where like, I have this, like one, I'm quick at writing those things. Like I can write, I literally have written like an issue in a day. And then gone back and edit it the next day and made it to where it and floated out and I can write them so fast because I know these characters so well and I write them and then I get them off to the artist and I get them back then I rewrite them and add more stuff to and make it make sense. John: Well, yeah, I make him make him make as much [01:19:00] sense of the only and only comic can make right? It's ridiculous. But yeah, it's a lot of fun. And then It's all that matters. Yeah, I've got other comics coming out. Like I got my inanimate comic coming out next year. I've got Sergeant Blinky coming out next year. Kenric: Blinky and his fantastic Brigade of Fantastic. John: Sergeant Blinky and his Brigade of Fantastic. I love that title. Yeah, dude, I've, I love that title so much. And it's that, that, Kenric: that comic is a lot of fun. I want it to be like a hardcore Vietnam frickin like the nom book. That's what I want it to be. And it's so not. John: It's not, it's not. I thought about like, so that, that comic is done with. Army men toys. It's stupid photos. Army men toys moved around Photoshop. Ridiculousness. I thought about like, so I've got three issues of that series planned out. I can't outlined out. I have thought about doing this for fun, making it five issues total. John: 1, 2, and 3 being army men making ridiculousness, issue 4 being hardcore, serious, dark war [01:20:00] story, dark war artwork, and issue 5, back to army men, just to be, just to fuck with everybody but I'll see if I I'll see if I, I'll see if I can get to it, if I not, if I can do it or not, because right now all I've done is, I've outlined it the series and I'm not gonna start working on that until I finish no, I have only one through ten released and then the next couple she's ready to go and I have an enemy at one and number one and two done because an enemy is the first other comment coming out next year. John: And then Blinky will come out later in the year, next year, sometime. There you go. And then I have comics coming out in 2025 or 2. I, I, I've got, I showed you my list. I got so much shit planned. If I actually, if I actually do it, it's going to Kenric: be crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, we got, we got some other ones planned too. Kenric: Oh we do, yeah. Yeah. The Rider of the West that we mapped out on a previous show from a couple years ago. We have two other, John: two other comics that we're working on besides Supernatural Barrier Detective. Yeah. Both of them, I'm, both of them I'm super excited for. I'm actually kind of excited for our, the most recent one we thought about. John: Yeah. Than Rider of [01:21:00] the West. Probably because it's more, it's more recently in my brain. But I've been making, I've been making notes on that one. 'cause it's, it sounds pretty awesome. Kenric: I, so, I, I am terrible about sharing, writing. I'm terrible about it. Like, if I write something out and then it, I, and I know that, you know what I mean? Kenric: So this last one I came up with, I came up with the idea, gave you the premise of everything. I said, now go write it . Yeah. Yeah. So that way you can write the script and then we can, then I think I'll have much better time trimming things down and being like, okay, da da, da. It'll be a better experience because I. Kenric: I have a hard time with control when it comes to, oh, I know, I know. I didn't do that. It's like, okay, well I know that. So I don't want to be, I don't want to be the asshole when it comes to John: that kind of stuff. Yeah. And I'm totally fine with, with taking this one, writing on the script for it and the outlines in the script and then going back over it with you and making changes. John: It's totally cool thing. I don't, I'm fine with that and I think it's gonna be good. I I, it, it's a great concept you come up with. It's a great concept that you and I hashed out after you talked to me about it and Yep. I think once we have supernatural Baby Detective under wraps, And out there. I mean, do [01:22:00] this one, Kenric: you know, almost make it in the same universe too. Kenric: We could keep it connected if we wanted John: to do it really could be connected. Yeah. And actually writer of the West could also be connected. Yeah. Kenric: They could all be connected universe would be John: kind of cool because they all have, they're not similar really in any way, but they all have the same kind of back end tone to them. John: Yeah. Kenric: Yeah. Anything that I'm, I'm terrible about. I'm not terrible. I guess. I don't know. I just, I just love that genre. Oh, me too. The supernatural, yeah, psychological stuff, it's, I love that, you know, that's what that's basically effective. I, you know, I came up with that name first on some podcast on some episode we were talking. Kenric: It made me laugh. And I was like, Oh my And then I started writing it out and it just became more serious as I was writing it out. But then it's still so ridiculous at the same time. It's, you know, the set, the first one is much more, the first book is much more I don't want to say, I don't know, you can't really say serious, but it's more noir [01:23:00] feel. John: It reminds me, so you say that, I just thought this right now, is it kind of, and anybody who's seen the show will kind of connect this, but the first issue, at least the first, like, 20 some pages of it reminds me of the setup of Supernatural, the TV show. Oh, really? Supernatural starts very serious, very dark, very, we're a horror show. John: They use that to set up these characters, and then it becomes much lighter, much more hearted, tells better stories after it has that. Look, we're in a world that has all this serious shit going on. Yeah. Let's tell you all that. Then let's move into, okay, these are real people. They've got more stuff to him than just the darkness. Kenric: Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's different, you know, but the second one, there's more jokes. Yeah. More, you know, more of some things happen, you know Ram, the artist is like, he was so excited when he read the script because there's like one scene that he can't wait to draw. Nice. You know, and then you know, there's a running joke. Kenric: To the whole thing that has a payoff at the end. [01:24:00] I'm not, I don't even want to talk about it because that might, yeah, John: it's a spoiler. Don't spoil things. So Kenric: it's going to be a lot of fun. I just John: hope it does well. I have a, I have a really good feeling about this book. To be honest. I'm good. Kenric: Me too. Yeah. I'm trying to, I always feel like I don't know. Kenric: I read through it and I guess I don't know. I want people's honest opinion. Yeah. You know? Whether it hurts or not, you know, cause you can't, I just come to realize really quick. You can't please everybody. John: No, you can't. Kenric: I mean, you know, I guess that helps me understand who my target audience is. If someone comes and says, dude, this isn't for me. Kenric: Okay. It's not for you. That's fine. Yeah. If I'm asking you for your advice on it then, you know, tell me what I did. Right. Tell me what I did wrong. I think that's what's driving me nuts when I've given it to some certain, you know, I've given it to, to people, to, you know, to, to get, I use the wrong word.[01:25:00] Kenric: If you say opinion, then there's this weird, people start to feel you, you, you don't get what you really want. Right. You know what I mean? And I don't want someone saying, oh, this is amazing. I don't need that. I don't need the accolade. No. You know, but if you ask for advice, Then they, they tend to take it more serious of what you're asking for. Kenric: And then they end up giving you constructive what you, you know, going through, because I don't, I don't, every time I asked somebody for their opinion, it was like, all they did was go through the whole thing and tell me what was wrong. Yeah. You know what I mean? Without understanding. They don't understand the characters. Kenric: They don't understand what's actually happening. They don't know all the plot lines that, you know what I mean? You know, so it's like, oh, I'm stuck on this or, John: and it's like. A great example of that is when the first time, the first edit I did of issue one, right? The first time I edited it, I mean, I went through my notes for you. John: You came back to me like, did you like any of it? Yeah, because, because when I was going through it, the only thing I thought about was, I'm only going to make notes on things that not that I want you to make changes, but something that I would [01:26:00] have done differently and the way that read. And I see that after you pointed out was. John: Oh, this is wrong. Oh, that's wrong. Oh, that's wrong. So when I went back again, I made sure to point out all the things that I liked as well. But it just helps Kenric: to understand, okay, should I do more of that? It's not that I need the, it's not that you need the feedback of making me feel good. It's just like, if I don't know what's right in the book and the things that you point out are wrong. Kenric: Might make sense. Might not. I don't know because I don't know if you, if anything else is right, you know, know that you don't like this. And then you're, you John: know, I think, I think the point, the pointing out the positive things as well, things I worked for me helped make the things that didn't work for me make more sense, right? John: Yeah. Whether you change them or not, it gave you a better understanding of why I might be saying, Hey, this didn't work for me, but this Kenric: does. You did this, which is cool. But then you said this and that, and that counteracts what I'm thinking when I, when I'm John: reading this. Yeah. Yeah. I think that what's funny is after I did that for you, I was [01:27:00] going back and editing my own books. John: I did the same thing. I started, I started leaving myself notes in the edit thing. This works. I like, it's a good fucking job. God. High five, John. Yeah. You know, I started writing that. I started writing those notes myself because like, I realized if I'm just editing my own stuff and commenting on stuff I don't want to change, I don't like, then I get stuck in this hole of like, God, this is crap. John: This is crap. This is crap. This is crap. Yeah. But I tell myself good fucking page. I'm like, yeah, it was a good fucking page. Kenric: Yeah. No, my whole thing is like, I tend to write characters, but then when I'm writing the dialogue in my head, I tend to write how I would say it. That's the hard part of characters. Kenric: Yeah. And that's the hard part. And then luckily I got a dialogue person. Yeah. It was some of that stuff. Great. Yeah. And he was, and he was awesome. Cause it was like, okay, cool. And then, and it wasn't like, I'm not, I'm not writing this for you. I'm just telling you, you think of this. Yeah. It's hard and that helped John: a lot the hardest thing when writing anybody who's a writer would tell you this. John: The hardest thing is to capture your character's voice. It's not yours. Yeah. [01:28:00] And it took me a long time to learn that. And I don't know if I'm good at it yet or not, but if you go back and read a lot of my early, early stuff from like, oh, three to oh, 2010, 2012, the YTCL stuff that I've destroyed. Nobody can ever read. John: It's not really destroyed, but I'm not ever going to publish it because it's garbage. I Kenric: still got the Y2K John: Slate book, so. I know, you're one of the lucky ones because I've taken that book down and you can't buy it anymore. Kenric: Well, I don't know about lucky, but yeah. You told me you John: liked the guy who was masturbating all the time. Kenric: I did like it. I was like, this is cool, man, because it was a freaking full on John: graphic novel. Yeah, but I realize if you read that, a lot of the characters have the same voice. They're all talking from the same place. There's not a lot of variance in the characters. I still have to admit, out of like the 12 characters in the first, like... John: Two books of that series, there's like four voices, that's it. Yeah. And a lot of them are the same. But it was Kenric: like, for instance, when Fred is, when the, the nurse asked Fred to cut the umbilical cord. [01:29:00] Yeah. And you're like, he doesn't want to cut the umbilical cord. I'm like, he's like, I don't know, as a father, I, you know, that's what you want to do. Kenric: No, no, no, no. I'm like, that's not him though. Won't do it. He's, he's, you know, he's scared to do anything. Yeah. No, I don't know if you remember this, but we actually had like a 20 minute conversation cutting the umbilical cord. We did. John: We did. And it was good though, too, because 1, it showed me the kind of voice you were trying to get for that character. John: Because when I first read that script. I read him as an asshole. I read him as a disingenuous father who was just not a good person. Yeah. That's not who you're trying to make. And we talked it out and you rewrote some stuff and him not cutting the milk cord makes a Kenric: lot more sense now. Yeah. He's just aloof. Kenric: He's just, he's just kind of a, he's an airhead. Right. But when I first John: read it, I first read it. I read it as, oh, he's a dick. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, it works. Kenric: I wanted him to be like this [01:30:00] kind of relief factor. Yeah. And some things will, you know, when he walks in the room, you're like, Oh, okay. Kenric: So I John: gotta go. Yeah. I mean, we're good. We talked about our books and I'm happy. Yeah. Kenric: So we get this. In the can, as we like to say here at John: Spoiler Country. I guess we're back. Kenric: One thing to note, things are drastically changing. We will still have some interviews. We'll still have, Melissa will still be doing stuff. Kenric: Renee will still be doing stuff. Hopefully Casey will still be more around. But Casey's doing a lot of work on Bigfoot Nose Karate and, and some other, other stuff. So we're gonna have different feeds. For people meaning still be spoiler country, but we'll have spoiler country interviews and all that kind of this main feeds going to be this guy, or I don't know where you're at that way, that guy and me myself talking, doing a lot more what we like to call tots, which is the tangent tangents. Kenric: And, and [01:31:00] really. We are going to get more into producing and publishing our, our, our comics, because we, this. We don't think we're going to make any money off of it, so that's not why we're doing it. It's for fun. We just love it. We love, we have fun with it. We love telling stories. John: I mean, we want to make money for sure. Kenric: Yeah, sure. I mean, that's always be a, that'd be, that'd be a great benefit, but that's not why we started. And yeah, so spoilerverse. com is coming, it's coming with a revamp and. We're going to be publishing John: more books and our imprint. Yeah. So we're doing, we're having an imprint where all our comments are going to come out in our spoiler verse comics, and you'll be able to get our, all of our comics at split verse. John: com. As well as the podcast, I'll be there. It's the website's going to be very, very simple. It's going to be based on the, it's going to be primarily focused on the comics that we make. It's a bunch of very detective Jonely, only ions anthology, all the other [01:32:00] stuff that can are working on with links out to this podcast, fully country and links out to use fully country interviews, which is going to have all the historical interviews we've all done with all the creators and any future interviews that we do will go on that feed. John: If you have somebody come on that just shoots the shits and talk to us about stuff, that'll be on this feed, but if it's on, if we're interviewing them about their book, their creative stuff, that's going to go on the interviews feed. We're going to keep those two distinctly separate because we've realized thanks to Dennis Karen and some of the people that we have fans or listeners of each, but not necessarily of both some of both, but mostly of each people who love this format of the show and people who love the interview format of the show. John: And I don't want to force. The listeners of either one of them to have to be subjugated, subjugated to both. If they don't want to, since it is kind of two different shows, you know, Kenric: all John: right, dude. All Kenric: right, man. Peace out.[01:33:00]