Zeb Wells – Writer on Marvels Hellions!

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Zeb Wells – Interview

[00:00:00] Melissa: The country and I’m Melissa searcher today on the show, I get to chat with writer and director whom you all know from shows like robot chicken and super Madison here to chat about his new Marvel comic book series hellions, Mr. Zeb Wells. Welcome

Zeb Wells: to the show. Thanks for having me. Very excited. Yay. Thanks for being here.

How are you today? I’m good. I got the I got my second vaccination yesterday. I had a little bit of a loopy night, but I’m already feeling my powers grow

Melissa: your super powers, right? Yeah, exactly. That’s awesome. And who do you have wifi right there on your lap?

Zeb Wells: This is Kelby bear and she’s not going anywhere.

I tried a couple times. Before we started

Melissa: so cute. Mine’s behind me on the couch and just staring at me. Why aren’t you loving me right now? That’s great. So, yeah. I want to talk about, you know, your comic for those who don’t know or are not familiar. Tell us a little bit about hellions and how it’s connected to the X-Men universe.

[00:01:00] Zeb Wells: So with Jonathan Hickman, doing house of X and powers of X, he started a new status quo where every mutant is welcome on the mutant island nation of Coca-Cola. And so I wanted to do a book about the mutans that wouldn’t fit into that society, who weren’t. Sort of like Mr. Sinister who was on the council and other buildings that are on the council.

They were powerful enough to sort of find a place in Cracow and society, even with their checkered past. But these mutants. Are ones that I, that I wanted to find mutants that people wouldn’t like or other people on Krakatoa, wouldn’t like to be around and ask myself, what are we going to do with these mutants?

And so I guess it’s a team of undesirable mutants that are sent on missions. And it’s not, it’s not like. They’re sent on missions to get them out of the way they’re sent on missions to try to make them feel useful to [00:02:00] society and help them find a place.

Melissa: Okay. So for, they’re kind of doing good and maybe like making up for their, their negative past.

Zeb Wells: Yeah,

Melissa: exactly. Yeah. All right. Well, I know issue 10 released last month. So, you know, what inspired that specific story arc?

Zeb Wells: I wanted to keep finding missions for them, that would throw them into situations where they were forced to act like a team. And in this story, they are, they are thrown there. They’re all captured by arcade who is is manipulating mastermind. And so they have to show up and sort of work as a team to rescue.

Mr sinister, who they all hate. And so it’s very challenging for them. Yeah. Convenience. [00:03:00] And what I also realized is, you know, at the end of issue, nine, the hellions need to get captured by mastermind and you know, he, he can make you see anything he wants you to see. So the first version of the scene I wrote.

Was them getting into an alley and thinking they saw monsters and they were fighting the monsters, but it ended up, they were fighting each other and yeah. Oh no. And then they, they they’d be defeated each other. And then I realized it didn’t feel right for hellions. And it was interesting that, that I realized in hellions the book has to be meaner to the characters because these, because I want you to feel, feel for the characters and feel maybe these people haven’t gotten a, a fair shake.

So I went back in and made it. So that mastermind more, just insulted them for three pages and then made them feel like they were falling out of an airplane just to make it like horrific and cruel. And then that felt wrong and it [00:04:00] felt right, because then you can kind of feel sorry for these. These characters that have all done really bad things.


Melissa: Well, yeah, it’s a very intense issue. And do you think that readers will be like surprised by anything in it or, you know, cause it does seem like more emotional, darker,

Zeb Wells: you know? Yeah. I hope that they’re surprised. I always hope that they’re surprised that they have feelings for the characters or like a character like nanny.

Or orphan maker or even gray Crow who has done such terrible things that they might start rooting for them or, or be invested in the emotional connections that they’re all making with each other. Yeah.

Melissa: Do you when you’re doing something like this, you know, with Marvel, do they, are they giving you a lot of creative control or are you getting things like next or,

Zeb Wells: you know, we have quite a bit of creative control on.

The X-Men comics. And I think a lot of that w we can think Hickman for that, you know, he had such a strong [00:05:00] vision for this, and he got Jordan White, our editor on board, and there, they both like have a really strong idea of what we’re doing and how we should do it. And because I think their idea of what we’re doing is so strong.

It, it just puts us on a boat and send us in a direction and we’re sort of allowed, ought to do whatever we want on our little islands because they trust us and trust Jonathan and Jordan.

Melissa: That’s awesome now. And when you’re trying to get into these characters, Heads, you know, because they aren’t super villains and you are trying to redeem them too to a degree, but how, like what kind of research do you have to do to get yourself in that sort of zone of like, thinking from their perspective?

Zeb Wells: I think I. As I have gotten older, you know, I read comic books as a kid. And you know, when you’re a kid, you think there are good people and bad people, good guys, and [00:06:00] bad guys. And then the older you get you realize was usually not bad people, but just people processing trauma in an unhealthy way. And so I, for these characters, I just look at the bad things they’ve done and ask myself.

What would have to have happened to me or what, what trauma would I have had to have gone through that? My reaction to it might’ve been this, or if I got these messages, when I was younger, what, what messages would I have gotten that made me think this was what the world expected of me or how I had to get what I wanted in the world.

So. It’s been, it’s been really fun and interesting to just as an exercise in compassion or developing compassion for people that maybe do things that you don’t understand or seem off pudding.

Melissa: Right. Perspective and sort of like switch it around. And, yeah, that’s an interesting point because, you know, I’ve [00:07:00] said this many times on the show and I’ll say it again.

I think that, you know, villains believe that they’re the hero of their own story, you know, like they don’t think they’re doing anything wrong in the grand scheme of things. So, yeah. That’s an interesting perspective. And do you prefer, or do you have a preference? Do you like to write villains now more than heroes or that you feel like they’re more complex or can heroes be just as complex?

Do you

Zeb Wells: think. Yeah, I think it’s easier to find and the complexity in the villains, for sure, because heroes so often, and I think why superheroes came up and people liked them to begin with is just like, oh, they know they’re intrinsically good. They know what’s right. And they know exactly what to do, but, and that’s kind of fun to read about, but it’s also hard to find that in the real life, in real life, someone who knows exactly what to do every time and is just intrinsically good and never makes a mistake.

Right. [00:08:00] And so again, I think just getting older, yeah. You getting more perspective about life and how complicated it is. It’s it gets harder to write someone. Who is, who is that? Who has a more simplistic worldview or is good all the time?

Melissa: Yeah. Well, even some of the actors I talked to say, they prefer playing, you know, villains and that they’re more fun than playing the good guy.

Zeb Wells: Yeah. I think conflict is what we like to watch. Like that’s intrinsically dramatic, so it’s probably easier to find the drama. If there’s an internal conflict going on.

Melissa: Yeah. And as far as world-building goes, you know, what was your process, you know, in sort of like fleshing out murder world, great name by the way?

Zeb Wells: Well, again, it was, there’ve been different versions of murder world in the comics. And this one, I just asked myself if, if this character [00:09:00] arcade. You know, cause they used to do like giant pinballs pinball machines and he’d put like the characters in a giant pinball machine and then the balls would be made of spikes or they’d be in the balls.

And I just try to ask myself, I character that came up with those devices and like, I, I feel like he would be looking for the next hit or the next thrill. Right. So how does he get more depraved? How does he get more? Tori, how does he torture his victims even more? And that’s when the, I had the idea to, for him to use mastermind, to sort of make the tortures, get a little more insular.

Melissa: Nice. Awesome. Yeah, it sounds very depraved. I’m sure it’s fun though, right? I mean, you’re just sitting around, you know, brainstorming with a notebook or whatever going, like what arcade games can I. You know, bring to life and put people in them.

Zeb Wells: Yeah. Like what’s interesting. And I try to come up with stuff that makes me think, oh, I probably, you know, it makes me question if I should do it or not, and if I’m [00:10:00] questioning it, then I’m probably on the right track.

Melissa: Do you do you have a fear of clowns at all?

Zeb Wells: I have a healthy fear of clouds. Yes. I think, yes. I’m not a sociopath. So yes. I have a very healthy fear of clowns. Like what are they hiding? What are they doing? Right.

Melissa: Think about that whenever, you know, the carnival aspect comes into play. And if you’re going to do a horror.

You know, version of it. I think there’s going to be some psycho clowns in there and you know, that’s, it’s such a go-to character cause everyone is, I think the majority of people are terrified by them. Yeah.

Zeb Wells: And it’s such a weird thing when you’re a kid taken to see a clown by the adults who are saying, Hey, isn’t it.

Isn’t that funny? Isn’t it funny? And you’re just terrified.

Melissa: Get me out of here. Yeah. Yeah. So a lot, a lot of the art, you know, obviously is. Amazing in this in the series, you know, what’s it like working with Stephen Scopia and had you two ever worked together

Zeb Wells: before? No, he works with a [00:11:00] buddy of mine on a series called superior carnage.

And so I was always kind of jealous of my friend that he got to work with him. And so when his name came up for heli, I was like, yes, absolutely. Let’s do it. And it’s just so much fun. I like. I like the amount of emotion he gets into the faces. I liked that he made gray Crow look like an absolute stud you know, like he’s got like that long hair.

It’s like, oh, cause I wanted people to like fake gray Crow was cool. And then once I saw him draw him, I was like, oh yeah, done. We’re good. And that’s the fun thing about working in comics is seeing what the artists bring to the table. And it’s always so much fun after I write my script, which is its own thing.

But I always love rewriting the scripts to Stephen’s artwork. You know, once that comes in, I like, you know, I say, I want his artwork to have a say in what the story is. And so I go through and you know, you just tweak things around. You’re [00:12:00] like, oh, his facial expression says more than this. These lines of dialogue gets, I’m going to simplify that.

And. And that’s a, that’s sort of the fun of it.

Melissa: Yeah. And that’s like a true collaboration and not just dictating, I mean, like, all right. Do this. Yeah.

Zeb Wells: Because one thing you learned is like, you don’t know everything, you know, in some, just in the past in writing some of the things I was so disappointed to lose, ended up being a blessing in disguise.

And so as I’ve gotten more reps in this. I just have fun with what the artist brings to the table. And if something, they bring something that I wasn’t expecting, I just like to roll with it and believe in the process. It’s really

Melissa: fun. Yeah. Well, it’s like that expression you know, kill your darlings.

You have to be able to let it go and it’s hard to do, but if it’s going to make the story better, you know, you got to do it.

Zeb Wells: Yeah. Cause then you have two, two passionate voices coming through the story instead of just one and that’s always better and interplay. Of ideas and [00:13:00] intentions. And that goes with the coloring and the lettering too.

It’s always better than just a singular vision, right?

Melissa: Yeah. And next week you have a issue 11 coming out. What can you tell us about that?

Zeb Wells: Well, that’s the big ending to the story, which I, I do think we’ll have some pleasant surprises for everyone. And then. I just finished and is going to the printer.

Helen’s 12, which will come out a month later, which is the hellfire gala issue, which I’m super excited for people to see. That’s cool.

Melissa: And this is an ongoing series, right? Like you just kind of it’s open-ended yeah. Awesome. Are there going to be any, I know you can’t give away too much, but are there gonna be any new characters that maybe we have never seen before, you know, or any returning favorites from other.

You know, series or past incarnations.

Zeb Wells: Yeah. I, what I really like is every some characters that kind of dipped in and there was a group of [00:14:00] evil mutants. They fought that were even creepier and weirder than them called the locus vile. And there eventually all this stuff that we set up in the first year, we have really fun ways that they’re going to start coming back and kind of bringing everything together.

In the second year. So that’s what I’m really looking forward to for the next batch of issues. Yeah. Awesome.

Melissa: Awesome. And, and you’ve worked on a lot of, you know, a couple of different comics before this one. You know, how do you think is this series different? I mean, aside from it being starring villains, of course, but you know, is it been more challenging or less challenging?

Zeb Wells: Well, I think it’s been challenging in the fact that I have so much respect for the other writers that are writing X-Men comics right now. Right. And we all are part of a slack group. And so everyone is kind of running their stories by each other. And I’m such a fan of what Hickman did with house of X and powers of X that the [00:15:00] challenge has been that I’m, that I want, I don’t want to let anyone down.

Basically. I want, I love all the X-Men comics. I don’t want to be the bad one, you know? So the reason I wanted to do it was because I knew. If I did it, I would have to challenge myself to do my best work. And so that’s been the fun of it is really trying to get 110% out of myself and do the best comics that I can.


Melissa: That makes sense. Of course. Do you converse with, with the other writers and try to maintain, you know, that kind of consistency in the world? Or are they just like you do your thing? I’ll do my thing.

Zeb Wells: Yeah, it it’s, it’s the combination of both. We want. The fans to know that everything that we add to this world has been thought out and isn’t, and that everyone is going to respect what everyone else is doing.

So you never feel like any book doesn’t matter. And, but on top of that, [00:16:00] What Jordan and Jonathan and all the editors keep stressing is they do want singular voices coming through on the book. So you sort of get in there, you throw out your ideas. But then you definitely want to go back and try to write the book the way you would write it, because we want every book to have a really distinct person.

Yeah. Okay.

Melissa: Yeah. And you know, you were talking about all this, you know, collaboration and you have a lot of experience, you know, with that working in television, being in a writer’s room you know, you’ve written interacted for, for awesome shows and, you know, you have that That experience where you do have to listen to other people and bounce ideas back and forth.

Has that influenced your comic book writing?

Zeb Wells: Yeah, I was really. Happy with AF I kind of went away from comics for five years and did work in television. And when I got, when I came back and when I first started writing comics again, it was really nice to know that [00:17:00] like, the reps that I put in, in television seemed to have improved my comic book writing, which is, which can be broken down into a lot of what we were talking about, which is.

Being willing to collaborate, you know, seeing other people’s ideas as opportunities instead of challenges, which is something I think you just have to work out of yourself as you’re first starting and yeah, just, and then the discipline that I got during television to make sure I was writing something every day and do it like clockwork and leave myself time to Polish it.

So it’s the. The best product possible when I turn it in. Yeah, I mean, challenge in itself. It is, it really is. And the hardest part for me was working on my discipline. I think a lot of writers, they, they, you know, we think about the writing and the product we’re putting out, but the most important product you’ll ever work on is the process behind it because that’s what everything.

[00:18:00] Is based on thought. And so the last couple of years I re yeah, I’m sure you know that as well. Like if you don’t have a system and a discipline. Put in place to sort of box in your creativity. Nothing gets done. Right. You’re just stressed out all the time. Yeah.

Melissa: It’s my life now. And well, and the TV deadlines are a lot more insane than the comic book ones, right?

Yeah. It is faster paced,

Zeb Wells: faster paced, and you’re going into the office and, you know, like, especially with robot chicken and SuperMansion. You’re walking past the different departments that are waiting for your scripts, you know, and you’re seeing hundreds of people yeah. That they can’t work until you write the stuff.

And so you just have to get it done. And so that was, that was really good and productive as far as a learning and growing experience.

Melissa: That’s cool. And I mean, just, you know, the, the accolades too, I mean, it’s. Robot chicken, you know, one year an Emmy, which is [00:19:00] amazing. And I’m sure, you know, it’s still probably resonates with you today.

It’s such an iconic show. It’s still airing, I believe. Right. It’s going into another season. You know, have you been surprised at all by the, the fan response from, from robot chicken or just like how big of a cultural icon it became?

Zeb Wells: Yeah, absolutely. I think. The internet was still young enough when robot chicken started that we didn’t know that there were so many geeks out there.

Like, I don’t know, because I know that when I went to like junior high and high school, I thought I was the only person reading comic books in my entire school. Like I just didn’t know there were other people out there. So when we did robot chicken, we were making such specific nerdy. Jokes, like almost like meme levels, specificity.

And we just didn’t know if, if the audience was out there and then it ended up that audience was so much bigger than we expected. And now that audience seems to be running [00:20:00] everything. It’s crazy.

Melissa: Yeah. I, it started out so. Like you said kind of small in a sense where, you know, I, I caught it on television, you know, late at night and then all of a sudden everyone’s talking about it and because, you know, yeah.

We didn’t have social media, so it’s, you know, actually talking at the coffee shop about it and, and just How different, you know, it was just very different than anything. I mean, you had like liquid television and stuff like that, but this was so groundbreaking in a sense. And then I, I turned around and it was huge, you know?


Zeb Wells: And it just, it kept going, it’s been on man for like 16 years now. Yeah. Just just

Melissa: insane. Then you went off into the SuperMansion and you know, what was that experience like? Was it similar or was it completely different?

Zeb Wells: It was, it was similar. Well, parts of it were similar, but robot chicken, you know, like the sketches are only as long as it’s funny, you know, like you can bail on a sketch as soon [00:21:00] as you run out of steam, where in SuperMansion you’re doing characters.

You want it to be as funny and have as many jokes. As robot chicken, but you need them to work in a framework where the characters are consistent and there’s a motion there. And so it was a lot harder. And then, you know, then I had a lot more responsibility as well. So, you know, and you feel like everything needs to be perfect.

You just put pressure on yourself. You know, cause you’re, it’s the show and it’s got your name on it and it’s your one chance, you know, I didn’t know if I would. Be able to make a show again. So you just want it to be perfect and all that stress, you know, you’ll learn as you get older, all that stress is not.

The job it’s that you don’t need all that. You can, you can just, you know, if you have a discipline, just do the work, you know, and, and let that stuff take care of itself.

Melissa: Yeah. Just be creative and, you know, believe in what you’re doing. And I think, you know, there’s that other expression that, you know, do what you [00:22:00] love and the money will come kind of a thing.

Yeah. It’s yeah, there’s a lot to be said for that. I mean, you have to obviously. Put in the hard work. It doesn’t just land in your lap. But I think that, yeah, when you’re doing that every day and just really just letting it go into the universe or whatever it ends up being, you know, you get something

Zeb Wells: out of it.

Totally. I think that’s what has really been hitting me the last couple of years is that there’s no wasted work. That it, it, it you’re right. It all, it all goes out there and it comes back to you in weird ways. And then even if you’re not feeling it, come back. You’ve done work on yourself that maybe you don’t see.

And that creates value that will come out in other ways. Like when I sat down to write comic books again, after five years and realizing. Oh, that work that I did in TV, it’s still in me and it has made me better. And that’s that’s

Melissa: cool. Yeah. Do you think you’ll ever do TV again?

Zeb Wells: Yeah, I think so. I’d like to, I think I was a little burned out [00:23:00] after super mansion and it was fun to go back to comics and.

And just feel the joy of that. Again, you know, as a comic book fan, growing up, just seeing art come in from something that you wrote is always such a thrill. But now, yeah, lately I’ve started thinking about, oh, I want to start working on my next thing. You know, getting back in there. Yeah. Well,

Melissa: even the fans are so different from television to comics, you know, the con difference.

I mean, you have your San Diego con, which is mostly just film and television, and then you have your other cons that are more comic centric and they’re, they’re just so different, you know, the response like have you had have you had a chance to get, I know we’ve been all on lockdown, but if you had a chance to get any engagement with fans or have any response.

Zeb Wells: Well, it’s been kind of fun because of the X fans on Twitter are so vocal and it’s just consistent, very, very live. It’s just a very lively [00:24:00] bunch. And so I think. Anything I’ve written, the hellions has gotten the most feedback from, from the internet. You know, you gotta be careful with that stuff cause it’s hard not to look, you know, and then.

You’re an hour into it. You’re an hour into looking through Twitter and you’re like, oh, is this, this is the best use of my time. But, but if people are enjoying what you’re writing, you know, I don’t know. It’s fun. It’s fun to uh, to enjoy that a little bit, I think.

Melissa: Yeah, for sure. You know, as a writer, I know there’s always the bad reviews.

There’s always the, the weird ones where you’re like, did you even read it? You know? But, but the good ones are, make it worth it too, because you definitely get that sort of validation of like, okay, you know, people are enjoying this and, and are, are becoming fans.

Zeb Wells: Yeah. I, I think that one of the. Biggest things as a writer, you, you want people to like, understand what you were trying to do.

Right. You know, [00:25:00] like, because when you first start out, like the first thing is like I was riding in college and stuff. It’s, it’s the worst feeling of the world when you realize, oh, what I was trying to do and what people got from it were completely different things. And so when you see someone online, they’re like, oh, I saw what he did there.

It just feels good. Yeah,

Melissa: no, it is. It’s definitely like, oh, validation, you know, success, even if it’s like 10 people, you know,

Zeb Wells: totally, totally.

Melissa: Aside from Helen’s. Is there any comic book, character, or universe that you would like to tackle or take on in the future?

Zeb Wells: Well, I’m trying to challenge myself, sorry that that vaccination.

Oh, yeah.

Melissa: Gosh, no.

Zeb Wells: I’m, I’m trying to challenge as myself in the next couple of years to put out some creator owned books, because that’s something I’ve just never done. So I have like a fun, you know, this is all stuff that No one would ever want to buy from me. So I’m just going to put it out [00:26:00] there.

It’s like an old, like a caveman story and like a story from the future with depressed robots, but I’m working with some really fun artists. And so that’s, that’s what I’m really looking forward to. And then. You know, I still feel like I have some gas in the tank when it comes to like, Spider-Man, I’m really, I love writing that character.

So I I’d always write some more of that if I had a chance, but you know, this hellions comic, I got to write characters that I remember when I was really into comics, but I never thought I’d get a chance to write because they’re just not very popular. Right. So this is just, that’s kind of a dream book for me as well.


Melissa: Well, they were probably not popular, but I feel like the content is changing quite a bit. You know, when you have stuff like the boys, you know, for example, you know, you have that sort of villainous or just not so perfect cookie cutter image. And I, you know, I think there are a [00:27:00] lot of people that would rather read about villains because those are the ones who never got to see.

Go and, you know, they go into their layers and then you don’t know

Zeb Wells: what’s going on in there. Yeah.

Melissa: Like I think I’m more interested in that. Like what makes them tick and stuff like that. You know, and, and as you can create this series ongoing you know, are those, are you going to get darker with the themes?

You know, what, what kind of things do you want to explore going forward? Yeah,

Zeb Wells: well, I think I like have to explore. And I think it goes back to me saying why the book has to be mean to the characters, because I’m, I’m just trying to explore how our society, it’s just not really set up to deal with complicated people or traumatized people.

You know, you see, you know, the terrible things that happen to people with mental problems when the, when the police show up and are equipped to deal with that, you know, and. And then, you know, or like an [00:28:00] 18 year old kid who is robbing someone and ends up murdering someone, which is a terrible thing. But, but we don’t know what to do with those people except like throw them in prison.

And that, that person like needs help. You know, that’s a child who needs help. And so I hate to say it, but I feel like. The book can’t be too happy. You know, the book has to show, or at least explore the challenges that you have in this world. If your trauma has created like antisocial behaviors. Yeah, because I don’t think we’ve figured out.

We haven’t figured out how to compassionately deal

Melissa: with them. Wow. No, and it definitely, I mean, I think a lot of people feel very strongly about, you know, decriminalizing those types of situations, as far as, you know, getting them the help they need it. Like you said, going into a facility rather than a, a jail, which just ends up sometimes making people [00:29:00] behave more badly, you know?


Zeb Wells: yeah, absolutely. It’s it seems set up only to make. Society feels good because we’re being mean to people that were mean to other people, but I don’t, I don’t think that’s like a goal that society should have. Our society should be like, better than all of us than like our personal emotions, you know?

So. Yeah. I don’t know. I feel like people are talking about that more often now though. And I hope people continue to talk about it of not like not writing people off and not like sticking them in a hole. So we don’t have to think about them. Right.

Melissa: I agree. A hundred percent. Yeah, there is definitely you know, well, social media and technology is.

It’s changed things for the good and the worst. And, you know, I think in some situations, as far as, you know, in the good sense, like we have more awareness than people are able to have these platforms, but then there’s so much like online bullying and harassment that goes on that I feel like is [00:30:00] creating more trauma and stress for people that,

Zeb Wells: you know, Really feels like we’re just riding a bucking Bronco.

Right. And we don’t, we can’t read it. Yeah. Sometimes it’s getting us where we’re going and it’s getting us farther, but the ride’s a little bumpy, but hopefully, hopefully we get where we’re going, you know?

Melissa: Yeah. No, exactly. And you know, before I let you go You know, how has your, you know, this year, year and a half has been so crazy has your creativity, do you feel like, has, has it been stifled at all or were you sort of like more grateful for the time to be at home with your family and get to do more writing projects, you know, in, in sort of a quieter space?

Zeb Wells: Yeah. I, you know, I do think it has worn on me in ways that maybe, and I’m sure you’re the same that we might not understand until we’re out of it. But I do that. Doesn’t it feel like we, we did need a little bit of a break. Like, it seemed like. We needed a little bit of a reset. And of course this is not [00:31:00] the way I would have wanted to have it and you know, don’t want anyone getting sick ever.

But I do think it’s, it’s rearranged some priorities and, and made, made me slow down and, and I think slowing down was, was good for me and probably good for a lot of people. And again, like the bucking Bronco, they’re also like really. Bad things like just being lonely. And but on top of that, you know, like I really have a better understanding of how much I appreciate people and like connecting with people now.

So it’ll be fun. Fun. When things start opening back up to really appreciate the time you have with people.

Melissa: So we didn’t take it for granted. Like we, we have done for so long, you know? Yeah. And well, the other good thing, they made a good point. The lockdown also You know, really helps the environment for a little bit, their carbon emissions and stuff.

And LA was like, no, there was no [00:32:00] smog in LA.

Zeb Wells: Yeah. I mean, we were really, we’ve really been going hard for about 2000 years. Yeah, exactly.

Melissa: Yeah. I remember at the beginning of March and I live in a very, you know, city. And, you know, urban area and going outside on my porch and there was like deer walking down the street and all these I’m like, what is going on?

Cause there’s just no people around. They’re like, yay. We get outside. And.

Zeb Wells: Yeah. And it really shows you how obnoxious we are to nature. Like when we were around, they were like, I’m good. I stay in, I’ll stay in my forest. Thanks

Melissa: guys. Yeah. Well, that’s great. I’m glad we’re, we’re starting to yeah, I get back to normal a little bit and hopefully we can You know, do it right this time around when we opened back up you know, final thoughts, any advice that you would give to any somebody who’s new and maybe wants to [00:33:00] become a comic book writer or, or television writer,

Zeb Wells: I think as soon as you can.

And there’s so many more opportunities now, but as soon as you can. Find a creative outlet where you’re getting your work in front of people and you can see their reactions to it. I think that’s one of the most important tools of growth, you know, getting, getting out in front of people, which is scary and more vulnerable, but you just learn so much doing that and that’s how your opportunities happen.

So just keep your eyes open keep working and look for opportunities to like. Entertain people actually show people things and make things for an audience. I think it’s the most important thing. Good

Melissa: advice. Yeah. Put yourself

Zeb Wells: out there. Put yourself out there. Exactly.

Melissa: Right. So this has been great. I really appreciate you coming on and chatting with us today on the show.

It’s been, it’s been a

Zeb Wells: blast. Yeah. Great talking

Melissa: with you. Yeah. So everyone listening, make sure to pick up a copy of Hollins issued [00:34:00] 10 and also keep an eye out next week for issue 11. May 5th, I believe is the release date. Yeah. Awesome. Thank you so much

Zeb Wells: then. Yeah. Thanks for having me, Melissa.


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