David and Scott Tipton talk Star Trek – The Mirror War from IDW!

Scott and David Tipton – COMBINED

 

[00:00:00] Jeff: Hello, there’s a spoiler country today on the show. We had the fantastic David Tipton and the also amazing Scott Tipton. Thank you guys for coming to the show. Thanks for having us glad to be here. It’s definitely my pleasure to have you guys.

Scott: Cool.

Jeff: Thank you. So I always start off with with this question especially for combo people.

I always want to know what got you into the combo industry. What, what made you interested in comic books and writing? So I’m going to throw that out there to both.

Scott: Well, we just, we both grew up with always a giant stack of books in the house. Our father was a huge comic book fan growing up. And so as long as I can remember, they were always comic books everywhere.

And that’s how I spent a big part of what we what we were reading all along all are going through school. And it’s, that was where I first interest came. I mean, you had Dave, you were there for, I was. I mean, don’t you, was that the same for you conference room?

David: Yeah, that’s always a big part of it. And then Scott and I both have a long background with science fiction writing and reading as well.

I mean, [00:01:00] we both became really well acquainted with the works of Heartland Ellison when we were in college. So there was a lot of other connections to start Trek there as well.

Jeff: So with Scott I read that you studied at the university of California Santa Barbara. Is that correct? That’s true. So what was your area?

Scott: I was an English major. And I worked a lot with professor Frank McConnell, who was a big proponent of graphic novels. And he would teach classes like art, the narrative that he brought in, like Neil Gaiman to lecture to us because Sandman was on the, was on the reading list. And so my education and with you CSB actually had a lot to kind of encourage you what we’re doing now, because it was one of the few universities at the time that was really pushing, grabbing novels.

Jeff: I would say that’s wicked. That’s really ahead of his time, because like I said graphic novels as literature seems to be a recent phenomenon, maybe 10 years old. And I didn’t, you know, he was a really big headline. Yeah.

Scott: And that was the one I think that was probably like a Neil Gaiman. Sandman was maybe three or four books.

[00:02:00] Hmm. Yeah. And I remember, I remember the classes that Frank taught. He taught Sandman. He taught dark Knight and he taught Watchman. Oh,

Jeff: wow. I, I must funny. I talked to a lot of writers and the amount of times people bring up Neil Gaiman salmon as being like the book for them is amazing. I mean, that, that seems to be a foundational book for combat growth.

Scott: Well, it’s, I’d say it’s pretty hard to ignore. I mean, it’s, it’s, it’s an amazing piece of work and it’s amazing piece of work that stretches over like eight graphic novels. And it’s one of the few times when somebody wanted to do something like that and they actually got to execute it the way they want it all the way through.

It’s very rare to do that because a lot of times are stops and starts books that canceled, or you get like switches and editors. And this time Karen Berger at vertigo just left, left. So Neil alum to tell a story and you got to do it.

Jeff: It’s definitely one of my favorite runs of any comic book in history.

If it was a little bit more. School appropriate. I would teach it at my high school, but unfortunately say a man [00:03:00] doesn’t quite fit into a high school curriculum.

Scott: It’s a bit better for college. I think

Jeff: I actually once tweeted at Neil Gaiman about his Orpheus, the Orpheus one shot, and I asked him to go because most of it is almost high school appropriate until like the very end I was like, would you ever make a high school?

Appropriate version of your comics to be taught any, any re you tweeted back? I have no idea what that would even look like. So probably not,

but at least he responded. So so David, how about you? How did you prepare for your career, future careers?

David: Well, it’s very similar to Scott. I also had a background in publishing and ancient history of all things. So those things also kind of inform my background for what I bring into the books as well.

Scott: So

Jeff: how do you connect your fascinated with ancient history to your love of comic books?

David: You’d be surprised. There’s a lot of subtle things that pop up in some of our books that people don’t know about.

Can you, can you drop there’s a scene in up, [00:04:00] start to blow will tell where there’s a cling on version of Plato’s cave. And I don’t know if any people will pick up on that except for maybe me. So there’s a lot of, I mean, in the scene, we see what the Plato’s cave would be like for cling on point of view.

And I mean, some of those things are small, they’re subtle, but some of the things also, they add sort of a little bit of, of a different approach for us. I think Scott and I will talk about things like that and see if there’s ways that we can, you know, sometimes comments can seem a little formulaic and we’d like to try to find ways to bring in other influences to them.

Jeff: Oh, sorry. I’m going to be slightly unprofessional for a moment. I’m also doing public relations for the podcast and someone else is having an issue and it takes two seconds for me to try to contact somebody real quick. Okay. No worries. Just my apologies. I hear we edit this. I show the hope they do.

[00:05:00] okay. Okay.

Yeah. Sorry. A guest is isn’t there’s a concurrent interview on with another one of my interviewers and unfortunately guests has yet to arrive. So I’m trying to figure out what the hell is happening. So. They don’t get upset. So I’m sorry for my level of rudeness on that, on that area. So w I’m going to pause for a moment and then I’m going to that’s another question as if this never happened.

And once again, thank you guys for being cool about it. It’s [00:06:00] unfortunate. That I got to do two jobs at once. We’re all multitasking these days. Yes, indeed. All right. So my, a dramatic pause and then my next question. Cool.

So David also checked out a little bit of your Twitter account and I see that you often tweet about crossing video games. Is that

right?

David: I do. It’s something of interest to me. It kind of ties into some ways with the, the time periods sometimes of classic star Trek a little bit later, but a little bit in between it, I, that sort of seventies and eighties stuff that I really particularly like.

And I’ve, I was. Using Ataris and using a target computers going back way back when computers were not quite as calm as they are these days. So it’s something that I also particularly like the style and design of early eighties video games. And I think that’s something that they, they look kind of futuristic and modern.

Jeff: Hmm. So is there also a connection between your love of ancient history, your love of classic games and your [00:07:00] love of literature? So do they do it all? Do they all connect in some way?

David: Yeah, I suppose. So I think they scholarship, I think about those things all the

Scott: time. So

a big part of it too, especially with the big game stuff you mentioned, David’s the design, like the, I love the design on all the attendees. FMRI like the boxes and the instruction and the posters. There’s, there’s something about that period of, of, of, of merchandising and, and Prague designed that first Atari.

And ain’t even using the other video companies were doing that. I think still really holds up a day. It’s a great, it’s a great vibe.

David: It’s very similar to what you see in say the first star wars movie and the very first star Trek movie, it’s very similar and you know, it’s no accident that. The, the common topic of many early video games with star Trek and star wars.

I mean, people were playing star Trek on their computer video games back in the seventies and making up their own games. Cause there weren’t any games to buy yet.

Jeff: I mean, I, [00:08:00] as someone who grew up with a Tara as well, those games, I must’ve been, there’s something about the simplicity of those games that just make them sometimes almost more fun than the more complex game that way.

David: Yeah, I think so. And there’s something sort of timeless about those designs that says stands up even now. It’s why there’s become this weird retro computing and retro gaming boom that you wouldn’t have expected. I mean, I started buying and collecting older games back, but nobody wanted them and now everybody wants them.

Jeff: Yeah. I mean, I kind of find it interesting that there’s a common definition. So now between both of you in that you both have a connection to history because Scott, I read that you’re also a comic historian and you are presented to comics one-on-one and blast off comics.

Scott: Yeah. Yeah. W w w what he games are for David vintage comics are, for me, I’ve been writing the my comics one-on-one history conference for over 15 years now.

And you know, w we actually got a book published by her about 10 years back. And then later on, I, I briefly owned a comic shop here in north Hollywood, and we specialize in vintage comics. [00:09:00] So, yeah, there’s, there’s something about this as much as I love cooking. I love old comics even

Jeff: more.

I must admit, I do love going back into the history of comics and do, does it, what insights does it give you into writing comic books, having that kind of deep well of knowledge?

Scott: Well, one of the things is it, depending on how far back you go and what the period is seeing how some writers handle.

Handle the economy of space or comics or the economy of words, or kind of mix. I mean, if you look at it that excavated comic from the, from like the early eighties, it’s almost more words than pictures. Whenever I read that book. And then you look at the way that, that, that the, that styles change and trends change, and you never see a book that we’re reading.

And so it’s interesting to go back and look at the old stuff and try and find some of the devices that they use and see what still works today and what can, what can be applied to today’s

David: comics. I think also Scott and I both have a fair amount of [00:10:00] influence from the old star Trek gold key comics into the comics we write today.

Jeff: So, so how do you guys feel about the loss of the thought bubble? Do you guys want to try and bring that back into Vogue?

Scott: It’s so funny.

David: I’m always trying to bring the thought bubble back.

Scott: We all for it. I love the thought bubbles.

Jeff: I think about, I think the thought bubble is one of those things that is only can exist in a combo form. And I feel like it would differentiate a comic book story from as any other form of literature is that you do get an extra little Aspect or look into a character.

I don’t understand

Scott: why you would want to take away a tool in your toolbox that, that other forms of entertainment don’t have. You can’t do that with movies and television.

David: And we were just talking about seventies comments again. I mean, my sort of notion of comics is so much tied into. 1970 Spider-Man comics for your permission to narrate it and thought about thought bubbles all the way

through.

Scott: It was great. I mean, even on like the electric company, [00:11:00] when they would do their little spidey paint, the mimes, he only communicated on that show in thought bubbles,

Jeff: well then, then we have to do this. Then I’m going to call you guys out and saying your neck combo must have a thought bubble somewhere, somewhere in the conduct must exist.

Scott: Our current work is pretty dark for thought bubbles. I don’t think,

Jeff: you know, it’d be nothing better than having a really dark vine star. Then I just had the main villain or something, just be like, wow, what’s for dinner tomorrow. You know, just go with it. I hate that so

David: much. I think we’ve, we’ve used captions sometimes, and it fills some of that role, but there’s something different about the thought bubble.

I agree. I do miss the thought bubble.

Jeff: Yeah. So if I don’t see one of the, in your next public combo, you’re going to get a tweet from me saying where’s my where’s my damn thought bubble.

So so how did you guys both get involved with IDW publishing and star Trek?

Scott: Well, that was, [00:12:00] it’s just you know, you always hear people say that a big part, a big part of success is being in the right place at the right time. And it just, it just worked out that way that we’re Chris rile and I have were co-workers at an ad agency and we were also, we were also running one of Kevin Smith’s websites at the time and were like, poop, shoot.

Yeah, Chris, Chris was the editor in chief and I was the news editor and I was writing my councilor at one column there. And we did that for a few years. And then

David: that got Chris the,

Scott: the, the, the way into IDW when they hired him away to be their editor. And I, I had kind of given up on the notion of writing comics.

I was, I was on the way there right after college. And I had, I was being mentored by mark Grunewald at Marvel. Oh wow. And then Marvel had had marked rumor tragically passed away at the age of 40. It is a horrible, unexpected heart. And so I just kind of put the idea of writing comics away and then went into advertising and other, other other forms, [00:13:00] other forms of work.

And then whenever all of a sudden, Chris is running IDW. I thought maybe this could be something I could do. And I said, if anything, that comes your way, that I’d be a good fit for throw it at me. And I’m gonna try and get try. So first he tried me out in a couple of horror books and we had fun and then I got to do some, some angel and spike for them, but then they got the star Trek license.

And I was like, oh yeah, this is this one for me. And I called Chris and I’m like, look, I’m not saying just at you. Just let me pitch, let me open the door crack. I’ll get me. I’ll get myself in there. And we’ve well we’ve I pitched them on the notion of a cling on Russia, Mon story, which became a blood will tell.

And once they, once they bought the pitch, that’s when I called up David and I was like, look you know, I’m going to be bugging him about this as I’m writing this every day. Why don’t you come in and write it with me? If you don’t like it, you ain’t have to do it again. Yeah. We tried that out and it worked great.

It’s been working.

Jeff: So were you both fans of star Trek prior to [00:14:00] working on cling on blood blood will tell,

Scott: oh yeah. Both of us lifelong.

Jeff: So what do you guys love about star Trek?

Scott: I mean, we both, we both grew up on, on, on classic. And so as much as, as I love that generation started to me, I always think classic and the much like comics for me, it was just always there.

It was a part of my life. We watched it every day with our dad that dinner time, the KTV view. And so just that, that entire Canon to me is just ingrained. What do you think, David?

David: I think I got more into next gen maybe than you did early on. I was looking forward to being back on television and I think you got into next year, maybe a little bit more later.

Scott: I really got into hard like sec, like lactic, like second

David: season, third season. Yeah. And I was just, I was really looking forward to seeing star Trek on, on the small screen. Again, I think in a lot of ways, what it does best, it does best there as far as the kinds of stories that it tells. [00:15:00] And, you know, I think that’s why sometimes star Trek has had some.

Peaks and valleys with movies because it’s difficult to fit star Trek in the movie sometimes because it was originally designed for a television sort of format,

Scott: the kind of story that star Trek tells best tend to be thoughtful stories and parables and Murali plays. And I’m not sure those work as well in a big bombastic kind of adventure story that you

David: need for.

Yeah. And sometimes I think people forget that star Trek, the original was pretty much launched and a sort of television world of things like Twilight zone, that’s sort of individual episodes that tell like a parable or a story, like you said, Scott, and that. That they provide that when we got to next gen as well.

And then what happened with star Trek? Interesting there in terms of the history of television, because when you get to later, next generation gets a deep space, nine. They [00:16:00] started being in some ways, pioneers with telling long form stories that television often resisted because of wonder to be in syndication.

They didn’t want to have long form stories and these things not pushed hard on that. You know, substance star Trek has been more along those kinds of lines, but it’s always been a balance between well, to it. Every story is Dan alone. And it’s kind of funny in that sense too, because comics sort of deal with that.

Also some people like their stories to be still holding one or two issues and they’re all self-contained other people want these long sort of giant stories.

Scott: Yeah. It does not anywhere near enough credit for being one of the pioneers of that for television. That’s true. Well, to your point about her Serling, both Serling and Rodan, maybe we’re doing the same thing, which is television at the time was so restrictive.

They will use science fiction to tell the kind of story they couldn’t tell which the drama.

David: Star Trek is in some ways, especially the original one at the time was a sort of anthology story. Cause every week you’d tell a different kind of story of what was going on [00:17:00] the ship. But you know, that ship didn’t have to almost even be in space.

It could have been like a boat. I mean, these were things that were not, didn’t always have to be. You know about, about space aliens. And, and I think that’s something that sometimes people miss about the, the, that casino’s connection to anthology type stories, and they

Scott: would do outright comedies, or they would do what they would do, like a first person drama.

And then the next week it might be a parable or something along the lines of a, of a fairytale. And it was that that flexible format was what made that show work.

David: So, and another weird thing. You just said, is that, you know, sort of like stopping the engineer, sudden doing a a comedy, like a treble Tribbles or, or piece of the action that the time was almost, on-call a very unusual and serious Tobish in the late sixties.

Jeff: And, and you guys are writing in your new comic book star Trek, the mirror war. You’re dealing with one of the most famous, the most famous and well like elements of star Trek, which is the mirror universe. Yeah. And, and your, [00:18:00] your series stars of the mirror Jean-Luc Picard and w and I thought to myself, how hard is it to write a character?

That’s well, like, like Jean-Luc Picard and well-known, but you’re writing a skewed version of him. That’s slightly, that’s not quite that character, but still has to kind of feel like him, but different. How do you walk that line and make that happen?

David: It’s it’s,

Scott: it’s been tricky and has been enjoyable. I mean, Yeah, mirror card has evolved in ways.

I don’t think either of us expected from

the

David: beginning. No, no. In fact, I was looking at some early documents that we had worked on with some of our collaborators and he’s changed and that’s perfectly fine. And I think that’s even part of the character. And, you know, one of the things that I always like to focus on too, is that the characters in the main universe are not always exact opposites.

They’re sort of. Like different facets are, and sometimes they’re dark [00:19:00] facets, but they’re not always the exact opposite. The ones in the prime

Scott: universe. We want to try that stuff. That bizarro world it’s not just opposite day. It’s gotta be, it’s gotta be, how would the characters that we know from prime react to being brought up in this environment and the surrounding, and how would that change your character?

And I think that’s. To our mirror, Picard, who is, was very different than like, say like a mirror, Kurt river or Spock where they’re just like kind of angry pirates. Our mayor Picard is we always say it a lot of ways. He’s trying to be a better captain than Paccar is.

David: Yeah. And in all the, in all the ways that that regular Picard is awkward, which is often awkward in the original series.

And he’s also has a hard time dealing with other people mirror per cards. Manipulative manipulative and smart in ways that pram Picard is not

Scott: and a better motivator cause he better, he better works with his crew then than prime Paccar does, especially early. I mean, by the time of the, of the, of the next-generation films, I mean that kind of, a lot of, of, of [00:20:00] Picard’s rough edges had been kind of like sworn down, but those first few seasons of next generation Bacardi is not a warm and fuzzy character and he’s were in genders and kind of like personal loyalty.

David: And it took seven years for him to play poker with the rest of them,

Scott: man.

Jeff: So, so this series mirror war is based from star Trek, broke a mirror broken and through the mirror and also Terra Cognito. Must those issues be read and understood to enjoy what you’re doing with mirror war.

Scott: We try and make everything that you can come in cold and enjoy the story. You’re going to appreciate it a lot more with all the stuff that we’ve laid in the background, because in a lot of ways, this is a combination of those first three books and where we’re going.

Well, you can read it cold and still enjoy it. We always try for that.

Jeff: So what can you tell our listeners about the events of star Trek mirror? Are there any surprise guests that they connect.

Scott: Well, there are, there will be surprises, but that’s what keeps

Jeff: them surprises. Well, [00:21:00] well, are there characters from the star Trek universe that has not been introduced in your, in the other three mini series that will show up this time?

Scott: Well, it’s no, I don’t think it’s any sort of spoiler to give us the way, cause this was mentioned in a fresh release that we’ll be bringing in a lot of the D space 90 characters that we can play with this time.

Jeff: So. Tara Cognito ends with a mirror Barkley mirror per card. But I plan that bills, our models, that where the new series is going to start taking it,

Scott: that that’s that’s that’s the pick-up point is we’re we’re, we’re building some sense of something big with Picard on the, on the quest to get just much like the first book was all bought for cardboard and the enterprise.

Now his ambition is a bit raised in, he wants more.

Jeff: So, and I think it’s kind of interesting, cause you guys also mentioned that star Trek basically exists as a, as a, basically a parable. Okay. When you guys are writing the mirror war comic comic books in the mirror, universe, comic books, [00:22:00] are you looking at them as parallels as well?

Or is this more as entertainment? How are you guys approaching them?

David: I think these stories are strongly character-driven. And because we are looking at these characters and what these characters will be like in their mirror versions, and then seeing how that plays out, fitting in what we know about the cannon from the table.

We didn’t show in terms of prime man in terms of mirror. And there’s all these breadcrumbs at the That, that original star Trek and that D space-time left behind about the mirror universe. And we’re trying to step in there and sort of thread those needles and make these stories fit into that. And it’s not always easy, but we try pretty hard.

Yeah.

Scott: Like, for example, if you look at Terra incognita, which by the way, it’s nice. A good, a good bit for our, for our new series. I, AWS released all three of our memory books into one beautiful collection. You can just go pick up on Amazon, or if you’re a local comic shop right now, and it’s got all three [00:23:00] in the third volume Terra.

Incognita. We treated that more like just the next generation series a season. So those are much more of the parable stories that we’re talking about, where it has that feel of trying to tell an episode and, and using the science fiction as a, as a metaphor for something else. But with, with, once you get back to the straight mirror stories, I think David is right.

It is much more character driven now.

Jeff: The alpha mirror universe first introduced to the original star Trek is also was used in next generation and whatnot. Start mirror universe also had a major part in the star Trek discovery series. Is that within continuity of your series or is that viewed as a separate entity?

Scott: Well, then the nice thing is all of the material that’s covered in. And discovery predates so much of what we’re doing, that, that we haven’t really had to build a bunch into that. Right.

David: Yeah. I mean, there’s just our stories don’t take place during that time. So there really aren’t any connections to make there.

Yeah.

Scott: Every [00:24:00] everything they’re doing by the time of the first original series, Kirk and Spock more episode, that’s all in their past. So it’s like, all right, whatever, everything, they did leads up to that. So we’re, we, we’ve not had to like make sure that our stuff fits into it too.

David: Our mirror stories, all overlap with the tail end of next generation and the space-time for them.

Scott: And what’s been fun for us is that unlike classic and these mix nine next generation never had a mirror. So we got to actually really conceive all of these characters along with, with JK Woodward and our, our licenser at IDW or at CBS John van sitters. And so everything for the next generation mirror has been, has been all brand new.

Jeff: And, and I must say it does add something as well that the art is so real. Look, it looks so much like those, the actual characters that you do buy into the stories, it helps buy in, buy into it. Absolutely

David: credit for that goes to JK Woodward. He, he did the original designs. He did the art for the [00:25:00] entirety of the first series, right Scott in our first

Scott: series for the, the, the the emperor Spock running backup story.

David: And he continues doing covers and we work with them on an ongoing basis with that as well.

Scott: Big, big part of this, he’s still, we’re doing concepts for us for this series as well.

Jeff: Well, I mean, this area is, is massive. There’s if I read correctly, there are 13 parts of this series, including eight part miniseries and numerous one-shot issues that, I mean, most of the elements here has never reached that level of complexity as far as just pure number of issues coming out.

How hard was it to juggle all these separate parts? I

David: spent a day pulling up art reference from a whole bunch of different episodes in comics. And so yes, it is complicated

Scott: and the one-shot stories are being done by other writers. And so we’re looking at those and making sure that everything comes together and the two scripts have to come in so far.

Those have been great. We’re really, really looking forward to seeing this because as in terms of, of, of next generation mirror, it’s been all [00:26:00] off at this point. So it’s been great to see other writers. And, and do stories based on our work and see where they take them. And then the two we’ve gotten in so far been really.

Jeff: When you’re looking at these other writers work, is there anything that you’re thinking like, shit, we should have done that in ours first?

Scott: No, no, no. The good thing is, I mean, this, this whole series has been blocked out to the point that we, they, they’ve got 300 words and tell a story about X or tell a story about Y so it’s all.

Designed in such a way that it’s all complimentary and

our

David: editors really good at sort of watching for things like that and helping to bring everything together. So that, that that’s how it prejudice.

Scott: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. This would just fall apart without a good editor. And our editor, Megan Brown is first rate.

Jeff: And the, what I really find it as well about the mirror comics and looking at it from a perspective of writing, you have awesome Arabic card, his actions are going to put them into conflict. I’m I’m guessing with the Klingon credenza in Alliance, is that correct? Yeah. [00:27:00] So in a story like this is the mirror and enterprise crew or the tenant.

The heroes of the story, are they, are they just the protagonist? Are you kind of rooting for the, against the Terrans? How do you approach it from who you want your character, your audience, who would be identifying or connect?

David: That is tough sometimes. I mean, there’s a, there’s a, an issue. And I think the first series where mayor Paccar drops off some of the original members of the enterprise to be tortured on a planet on the way out of the solar system.

And this is our hero. But it is a mirror story and that’s what we’re looking for. And that’s what you’re getting out of mirror Picard in some ways. So,

Scott: yeah, and I think that’s always been a big part of the appeal of the mirror universe stories. Yeah. Yeah, mirror Spock is, is a bastard mirror. Sulu is terrible, but you enjoy seeing them.

You want to see what they’re up to. So are they heroic? No. Are they are protagonists? Yes. [00:28:00] And, but do they still, and that’s the thing we’ve been in for a blank with whatever the wrong guys are doing or doing these things for the right reasons. You know, what, if those are the people that are contending with our words, so that, that it’s that kind of Dichotomy that makes these stories fun.

And especially because unlike most Trek where you have to live with the concept of Roddenberry’s utopia, that, you know, the most, most humans that have all past read and evolved past most kind of like negative attributes, these guys have it so they can, they can want things and they can backstab each other and they can scheme.

And it’s, it’s, it’s an, it’s very dribbled, the right star Trek under those circumstances and still be

David: within Canada. It does, it does free authors a little bit that you’re not having to always think about, well, what would this character do exactly in star Trek universe because of the mirror universe, the rules are different.

And that’s, I think that’s definitely a big part of the fun of it too.

Jeff: So how do you guys approach them? The Klingon [00:29:00] and Cardassians then, because once again, they’re kind of the antagonist for the story, but in many ways they’re just less basters than the Taryn. So I mean, I, how do you approach them?

Yeah. See with them,

Scott: I mean, their world hasn’t substantially changed. Right? So for them they can act the way Klingons their Canadians always do.

David: Yeah. It’s interesting. If you watch a deep space, nine episodes, there are some characters that don’t really change very much and are good examples. Garrick in deep space, nine mirror episodes, pretty much, same old Garrick.

I mean, and you know, if you start thinking about things you think about prime Garrick and you think, well, what would mirror Garrick be like? You think, well, he probably wouldn’t be that

Scott: much different and the Kardashians culture hasn’t changed much. And then cling on culture had GI problems or societal standpoint.

So they just they’re just reacting differently to a different environment, but they’re still gonna feel it.

David: And in some ways it’s sort of pivot point between the prime [00:30:00] universe and the mirror universe is in the mirror universe. Humans Terrans have a much stronger sense of self self preservation and self motivated interest and selfishness, basically.

Yes, and everybody else and clean, cling ons and Kardashians are dealing with humans that are like that as opposed to the ones that we’re used to in the prime universe. Does that make sense?

Scott: Xenophobia

David: Sinophobia yeah. And, and, and I’ll hold a lot of what’s in it for me. And how do I get ahead? And it’s those Tara having Taryn’s with that mindset that sort of pivots and changes everything in the mirror universe.

Jeff: Now, this series that you’re doing right now with Miramar feels. Your your, your Magnum Opus here.

Does this conclude the mayor [00:31:00] verse storylines or is this building to something that will come even further after this storyline?

Scott: There’s always room for more. There’s always room for more stories and we have, we have plenty of stuff in mind.

Jeff: So, so w w w low on time what can readers expect in the, in this upcoming series?

Scott: You’re going to see a lot of places that you haven’t seen before. You’re going to definitely see some new faces we haven’t seen before. We’re gonna get to delve a lot into the character of the crew and, and bring some of the relationship stuff back that we have that a chance to in the last couple of series, what else would you say to him?

David: You’re going to see things that maybe we haven’t shown before with a mirror spin to them. You’re going to see A lot of big events that you can do in the mirror universe, because you’re not limited by the, what happened in the cannon prime universe. And I think that’s one of the things that, that we look forward to doing.

And I think people like to do, to see in their mirror stories, even if, if, if you know, discovery spend a whole lot of time doing that with their mirror stories as well. So I think having [00:32:00] doing a mirror story frees you up in some ways to, well, what would happen if, and. Mary stories in some ways are a lot like what if stories?

Jeff: And I definitely can give you guys a lot of props for using Barkley as often as you guys do. He’s such a fun character in, in, in the regular verse.

David: It was a good example of someone that we did not expect. I think at the start to work out as well as he did. And then when he started writing the very first issue, he turned out to be like the perfect mirror character in some ways

Scott: are unexpected.

And they stuck a lot of Barkley in this, in this, the thing that the Barkley data relationship just fell into our laps and we loved it so much. And we’ll be seeing some of that for sure. Well,

David: it is kind of dark and sinister that when, when mayor barky goes to the prime universe, the prime crew likes mirror Barkley better.

Jeff: Well, guys, I want to thank you so much for coming on the show. I really look forward to stock track marijuana. It sounds like it’s gonna be really [00:33:00] impressive. What is it going to be? Right.

Scott: It starts in, I think August,

Jeff: September, I can’t wait. It, it looks terrific, guys. Thank you so much. Thanks. All right.

Have a fantastic night guys.